Entry level carbon WSD road bike?

[bluebug32]

How long was the stem of the Orbea you test rode? Did you calculate the total reach on the Orbea vs. the Madone (handlebar reach, stem, top tube, saddle setback)?

I'm not sure. Will have to look into this. You're saying they may not be that different in terms of frame geometry? I know the Trek has a taller headtube.

[Ana]

I'm not sure. Will have to look into this. You're saying they may not be that different in terms of frame geometry? I know the Trek has a taller headtube.

I'm only talking about the reach (horizontal) to compare since they feel different to you I wonder if the reach is the same but the angle or head tube length make the difference of more upright or "closer reach" for you.

[bluebug32]

I'm only talking about the reach (horizontal) to compare since they feel different to you I wonder if the reach is the same but the angle or head tube length make the difference of more upright or "closer reach" for you.

I'm pretty sure that's what's going on because the ETT is pretty much the same length.

Pretty much where I'm at now is that the bike shop that does an excellent fitting and that I've been going to for a long time (and they told me that they would include a complete 3+ hour fitting that analyzes everything on the bike if I buy it there) has been letting me take bikes home to test. They sell Giant, Specialized, Look, and Cannondale. The fit and the shop support is really important to me, so I'm hoping to find something that works there.

I still find Orbea, Blue, and Scott intriguing, but if I bought one I'd have to travel to buy it (also limited test ride possibilities), and I wouldn't have the same support and fitting. Big decisions!

[tongue_tied]

I still find Orbea, Blue, and Scott intriguing, but if I bought one I'd have to travel to buy it (also limited test ride possibilities), and I wouldn't have the same support and fitting. Big decisions!

I think you're going to get a decent bike for $2K regardless - yes, you get the carbon frame with Blue for that price which is definitely a perk, but I think an even bigger perk is the comfort in knowing your local bike shop and the work they do for you. If you plan on buying a new bike every few years, this is also something to consider.