hi, i just wear knicks, but i was having an issue with pain there, and i was thinking the angle of the seat was wrong and stuff like that but i had a proper bike fitting from the owner of the shop that has represented the country, so been into cycling forever, so i figured that wasn't the problem. but i got a new pair of knicks and it feels much better, and they aren't even women specific ones either, i bought them because they were the matching set for my LBS jersery. when i wear my female specific knicks which was the first ones i had i can feel the difference after about 15kms with them.