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  1. #1
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    Eden makes perfect sense to me.

    The problem we are facing in our society is that we are getting polarized over everything. Read The big sort It was ranked #1 on amazon a while ago.

    So with that as a background, we will see more and more of these kind of discourse. We have become a nation of intolerance.

    Those who bike (us) vs those who do not bike (them)
    Those who believe in global warming vs those who think its liberal crock
    Those who believe in complete market freedom (Ayn Rand believers) and those who believe in government oversight...

    Some think Democrats are un-American some think Republicans are the new fascists and so on. US legislature is frozen in this polarized climate and can only agree to squabble over really stupid things like is Pres. Obama an American Citizen or not (birthers)? This over looming healthcare, over looming national debt and fiscal crisis, JOBS...

    So the bike issues they-do or they-don't belong on the road debate will get more heated unfortunately like everything else with zero chance of agreement or compromises.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smilingcat View Post
    Eden makes perfect sense to me.

    The problem we are facing in our society is that we are getting polarized over everything. Read The big sort It was ranked #1 on amazon a while ago.

    So with that as a background, we will see more and more of these kind of discourse. We have become a nation of intolerance.

    Those who bike (us) vs those who do not bike (them)
    Those who believe in global warming vs those who think its liberal crock
    Those who believe in complete market freedom (Ayn Rand believers) and those who believe in government oversight...

    Some think Democrats are un-American some think Republicans are the new fascists and so on. US legislature is frozen in this polarized climate and can only agree to squabble over really stupid things like is Pres. Obama an American Citizen or not (birthers)? This over looming healthcare, over looming national debt and fiscal crisis, JOBS...

    So the bike issues they-do or they-don't belong on the road debate will get more heated unfortunately like everything else with zero chance of agreement or compromises.
    Thank you for explaining what is happening in this country. Just last night my SO, who doesn't discuss politics much, commented on how petty things are becoming even to the point that the govt health care plan has provisions to euthanize its older citizens!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathi View Post
    Thank you for explaining what is happening in this country. Just last night my SO, who doesn't discuss politics much, commented on how petty things are becoming even to the point that the govt health care plan has provisions to euthanize its older citizens!
    You'll have to show me where you got that information. part of what fans the flames is outright falsehoods disseminated by popular TV shows.
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    Right here. It's not just the TV show hosts who are disseminating that rumor.

    http://factcheck.org/2009/07/false-euthanasia-claims/

    But now I understand why my 93-year-old TV-watching FIL refuses to sign any advance care directives... even after watching his brother suffer horribly long after hope of survival was gone...
    Last edited by OakLeaf; 07-30-2009 at 09:31 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OakLeaf View Post
    Right here. It's not just the TV show hosts who are disseminating that rumor.

    http://factcheck.org/2009/07/false-euthanasia-claims/

    But now I understand why my 93-year-old TV-watching FIL refuses to sign any advance care directives... even after watching his brother suffer horribly long after hope of survival was gone...
    Oak, this doesn't make any sense to me. Are you saying your link backs up the idea that euthanasia is part of Obama's health care plan? Because that's not what the link says at all.

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    No!!! It's rebutting that rumor, and identifying some of the sources where the rumor came from.
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    Back to bikes...I agree with Kathi about what we can do when we drive and cycle. Of course, I'm sure we all set a good example...it took me getting out of Washington DC to drive civilly (I was always civil towards cyclists, but not so much with other motorists).

 

 

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