Faster on the flats

[nolemom]

I don't know if this is the correct way to train but what has worked for me is to simply hang on to the group as long as I can at the faster pace and then drop back to something that is more comfortable for me. At first, I was doing good if I stayed with them for the first few miles. Lately, I am staying with the front group until they kick up past 24mph and then a B group forms. I was happy to have a 14 avg. last September. Last week, I had a 19+ avg for 45 miles. I also found that riding less but at a faster pace actually made me stronger and faster. In the beginning, I thought that I would forever be the one that was struggling at the end. Last weekend, there was a rider who was having a difficult time, but we were still 20 miles from the shop. It was finally my turn to be the more experienced and powerful rider. It felt great to be able to do for him what so many others had done for me - provide encouragement and a pull.

[Geonz]

Intervals
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I got *lots* faster on the flats (and the hills) by doing a four mile loop and trying to get to the top of the puny almost hill on one of the miles (it's a grid with each chunk a mile long) just as fast each time. By the third one I'd have to work hard.... but in a month it took ten fewer seconds... and I didn't torture myself. When I was on the swim teams... oy, *those* intervals hurt and I never did get much faster... there just isn't enough muscle on the arms and I suspect I just drag too much.

[indysteel]

I don't know if this is the correct way to train but what has worked for me is to simply hang on to the group as long as I can at the faster pace and then drop back to something that is more comfortable for me. At first, I was doing good if I stayed with them for the first few miles. Lately, I am staying with the front group until they kick up past 24mph and then a B group forms. I was happy to have a 14 avg. last September. Last week, I had a 19+ avg for 45 miles. I also found that riding less but at a faster pace actually made me stronger and faster. In the beginning, I thought that I would forever be the one that was struggling at the end. Last weekend, there was a rider who was having a difficult time, but we were still 20 miles from the shop. It was finally my turn to be the more experienced and powerful rider. It felt great to be able to do for him what so many others had done for me - provide encouragement and a pull.

That's basically how I got faster, too. Hook up with some group rides at least twice a week that are just a little beyond your comfort level.

[Mr. Bloom]

I hate them, but +1 more for intervals.

[aicabsolut]

Intervals are good, but you say your endurance also sucks. So, you need to keep up the saddle time in addition to doing shorter interval workouts. There are also 2 kinds of intervals. Short intervals working on top speed and cardiovascular recovery time and then there are intervals that push your LT such as a 2x20, 1x30, etc.

If you have a hard time really finding your zone for those longer intervals, then keep going to those hard group rides and keep trying to hold on. Sometimes, that type of environment gives you the motivation to push yourself past the limit where, if you were solo, you'd give up. When you can sit in the draft, milk that recovery for all it's worth.

[kenyonchris]

For what it is worth, I don't know an iota about biking in comparison to what I know about conditioning horses for three day eventing....like an equine tri... and it is all about interval training to build strength and speed, and LSD (long, slow, distance) for endurance. Plus technique and nutrition. Hmmmm....sounds familiar.....so that is what I do.

[jobob]

LOL gnat, somehow I don't think endurance is an issue for you.

[gnat23]

LOL gnat, somehow I don't think endurance is an issue for you.

Nono, endurance I definitely got! I think I mixed up my metaphors at some point. Long slow endurance, check. Zippy companion-dropping leg-screaming rights-bragging speed? Not so much.

-- gnat!

[gnat23]

Thanks, so it sounds like intervals are it!

I don't get to ride with groups very often, which is probably part of why I deceived myself into thinking I was quicker-footed than I was.

I've tried intervals a few times in the past, but if I'm doing a 3-minute FAST, I find my mind wandering two minutes in and I zone out. However, with this last group ride, I felt this constant panic that I was going to get dropped, and thus kept pushing. Most of my rides are solo commutes, so, next question:

How do you motivate yourself to really hit those fast high notes? Use the same terrain and try to get faster on the same loop? Heart rate zone focus? Any sort of visualization trick to fool myself into getting out of my comfort zone?

-- gnat! (darn comfort zone. it's so comfy!)

[Pedal Wench]

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I've tried intervals a few times in the past, but if I'm doing a 3-minute FAST, I find my mind wandering two minutes in and I zone out. However, with this last group ride, I felt this constant panic that I was going to get dropped, and thus kept pushing. Most of my rides are solo commutes, so, next question:

How do you motivate yourself to really hit those fast high notes? Use the same terrain and try to get faster on the same loop? Heart rate zone focus? Any sort of visualization trick to fool myself into getting out of my comfort zone?

-- gnat! (darn comfort zone. it's so comfy!)

I hate to say this, but I find it easier to do intervals on the trainer. Although, I just discovered a straight stretch of road that I plan to take advantage of for intervals.