Not wanting "organic" bread

[OakLeaf]

Well, it's annoying to me to listen to people who talk about people who try to take responsibility for the world they live in, as though it were a bad thing, and it's so much cooler to not give a @#$!.

But you know what? If there were a thread about Froot Loops, I just wouldn't click on it.

[Cataboo]

Well, it's annoying to me to listen to people who talk about people who try to take responsibility for the world they live in, as though it were a bad thing, and it's so much cooler to not give a @#$!.

But you know what? If there were a thread about Froot Loops, I just wouldn't click on it.

I don't think the comment about fruit loops was directed at this thread, but more at shooting star being glared at by the phillipino woman after telling her that organic bread was healthy.

[shootingstar]

I don't think the comment about fruit loops was directed at this thread, but more at shooting star being glared at by the phillipino woman after telling her that organic bread was healthy.

Folks like Oakleaf, GLC, others here on TE etc. should be commended for cultivating their own food gardens, etc. When I first met my partner, who just was in the process of selling his farm, I didn't quite understand his dedication to shop local, visit farmers' markets at home and on trips..but realizing quickly just how much physical labour and time is required to raise one's own food (plants, animals, etc.), I've become a shopper that is more alert, not necessarily "pure" in my food buying habits since I still would like to eat bananas, mangoes and other whole foods that can't be grown in our climate.

My comment to the Filipino woman was quite impulsive and off-the cuff. It was probably the first time I ever said anything to anyone in a food store lineup about their purchases/desires. Otherwise I just look at people's shopping carts and baskets out of curiosity --non-plussed, bored, appalled or amazed, depending on what is in there.

Can I be allowed to be human and have contradictions? After all, I was lining up to buy my chocolate biscotti and a loaf of rosemary olive oil bread from same bakery? I have no guilt, at least the bakery makes their own biscotti which is more delicate and lighter tasting than other biscotti at other places.

Will I serve soft drinks at my home? If you visit our home, most likely not. Neither he nor I like soft drinks hence, we don't stock up on the stuff. We have limited space at home. But we have juice, wine, etc.

Catriona: I forgot about the colonial French influence on the Vietnamese baguette sandwiches. Now if they served real meat slices, instead of the over-processed meat in those sandwiches, I would eat the stuff more often. To me, the Asian-style processed meat tastes even more artifical and gross than some of the European style processed meat (ie. baloney, etc.).

[BleeckerSt_Girl]

Can I be allowed to be human and have contradictions?

Yes.

I have tons of contradictions and I certainly don't always do or say the exact right thing.

[msincredible]

I should mention that my usual form of buying "locally" is riding my bicycle to the farm 7 miles away and filling my backpack with their produce.

[maillotpois]

I should mention that my usual form of buying "locally" is riding my bicycle to the farm 7 miles away and filling my backpack with their produce.

Not on the Ducati?

[smilingcat]

The Winter Harvest Handbook: Year Round Vegetable Production Using Deep Organic
Techniques and Unheated Greenhouses


The One-Straw Revolution: An Introduction to Natural Farming


The Backyard Homestead

And if you do a search for "backyard homestead" on amazon, you will find many more books on intensive farming technique in an urban setting.

Our growing technique isn't pure "organic" since the soil on my property is depleted. Depleted of nitrogen, potassium, phospor, sulfur, magnesium, and all the other trace elements. We do have an active composting going to help with the soil rehab. We have no choice. We use chemical fertilizer.

Useless lawn has been torn out and replaced with diverse selection of plants. Most are not native to this area .

There was an interesting article in recent Mother Earth News. An urban homesteader in Pasadena. Every inch of his property with exception of his house was used to grow food. Several thousand pounds of vegetable, fruits nuts ... per year.

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When I go to the farmers market, I find out where they are from and buy "local" This could mean 80 miles away. We used to buy farm eggs, interesting blue-ish color, to tan to brown egg shells. small chicken, butchered looked like a black silkie... to bison meat. Not sure how local it is. Might be 300 miles from the market.

You will not find banana, mango and like at california farmers market. Only items allowed are the items grown by the farmer is the way how I understand it. The LAW!!

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As for organic bread, never occured to me that some would consider hard crust as being stale. Isn't that the point of baugette? But having it explained, makes sense. Just tad odd to me.

[msincredible]

Not on the Ducati?

It's only 7 miles! Plus the parking lot is all dirt and I'm a little bit nervous about the Duc in there.

[OakLeaf]

Folks like Oakleaf, GLC, others here on TE etc. should be commended for cultivating their own food gardens, etc. ...

Can I be allowed to be human and have contradictions?

None'a that in my direction eh. Truth is I'm probably the worst environmental offender on this board, what with being a snowbird, and the travel, and half of the year living 12 miles from anywhere, and all. I hate that that's true (and the snowbird part isn't my choice, but that's another story for the marriage counselor ). But it is true, I know it, and it's part of why I bristle when people mock the meager efforts that I do make to offset the damage.

Human, contradictions, yepper.

[tulip]

None'a that in my direction eh. Truth is I'm probably the worst environmental offender on this board, what with being a snowbird, and the travel, and half of the year living 12 miles from anywhere, and all. I hate that that's true (and the snowbird part isn't my choice, but that's another story for the marriage counselor ). But it is true, I know it, and it's part of why I bristle when people mock the meager efforts that I do make to offset the damage.

Human, contradictions, yepper.

Just think of all that heating fuel that you DON'T use!

[GLC1968]

None'a that in my direction eh. Truth is I'm probably the worst environmental offender on this board, what with being a snowbird, and the travel, and half of the year living 12 miles from anywhere, and all. I hate that that's true (and the snowbird part isn't my choice, but that's another story for the marriage counselor ). But it is true, I know it, and it's part of why I bristle when people mock the meager efforts that I do make to offset the damage.

Human, contradictions, yepper.

Contradictions? You bet. I have a brother who is a pilot for a commercial airline. No matter what I do, I can't offset the damage he does every minute of his work day. I did get him into recycling though.

We do what we can. It's all good.

[Cataboo]

Catriona: I forgot about the colonial French influence on the Vietnamese baguette sandwiches. Now if they served real meat slices, instead of the over-processed meat in those sandwiches, I would eat the stuff more often. To me, the Asian-style processed meat tastes even more artifical and gross than some of the European style processed meat (ie. baloney, etc.).

I'm not sure which processed meat you're talking about...if it's the round greyish stuff that comes wrapped in banana leaves, I avoid that and don't eat it.

What I typically get on the sandwichs is a more spicy "ham" like stuff, and that's typical. With pate & the rest of the vegetables.

BUt you can definitely get fresher meats on them... but I can see in vietnam without ready refrigeration, the processed or ham like stuff keeps better.