Product Review (I know...this should be in the "Apparel" forum which I found after I originally posted but it's here now. So, unless someone has the power to move it I guess it will stay here )

I am so not impressed with these shorts for the following reasons...

They are about 1.5" longer than I would like...which isn't really the fault of the shorts, just another reason they're going back to the place I ordered them from.

Based on their size charts I ordered a Small but wonder if I wouldn't have been better off with an XSmall? They just feel loose. Too loose (not sure an XS would make enough difference. The waist is so loose that I feel like I have to keep pulling it up. I can't imagine what would happen if I actually rode in them....got sweaty and wet while pumping my legs up and down on a bike saddle for hours...female butt crack waiting to happen !

I guess the leg openings were OK...definitely not too tight. Maybe they could/should have been a bit tighter since I fear they might have ridden up?

The edge of the chamois...which was advertised as the "Phantom" but had hang tags saying it was the "Stealth" felt almost sharp to the touch. I can only imagine how it might feel against the skin. Adding insult to injury, the chamois felt sort of stiff, especially at the edges.

I guess I prefer a bit heavier and tighter knit fabric that will actually hold a (more moldable) chamois next to my skin. Guess I'm go shopping (again)!