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  1. #1
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    Please do not confuse the original Zen with the ZenSojourner.
    I offer guidance only, never admonition.

    Thank you and I now return you to your regularly scheduled programming.
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    It's a moving violation... if you're in a car and police want to stop you, then they chase you, turn on the lights, etc... If a police officer has a speedtrap on the side of the road or whatever and steps out into the road to motion you to stop.... you stop and pull over. This isn't something that car drivers complain about.

    What are the reasons that the park police are upset at the riders? I'm guessing its for riding after sunset more than 2 abreast since that's what you mentioned?

    If it's after sunset, the roads are empty, and I'm in a park... I can't drive 100 mph hour just because noone's there. I can't drive on the wrong side of the road just because noone's there.

    Most parks around me close at sunset. Most parks around me also have pretty anal park rangers and police, but... they're doing their jobs and they're enforcing the rules, because quite a few people think they don't apply to them.

    You're afraid to complain about these incidents because bikers may lose the priveledge of biking through the park... So... why can't the bikers follow the rules that the park has set on them riding through the park?

    Yes, it's unfortunate that some riders got hurt... but you also have to realize that if you're on a bike and you can't stop when there's an obstacle in the road, or you're in a pack of bikes that can't stop when there's an obstacle in the road... be it a police car or a human... Then something's wrong, you're really not biking all that safely on a public road.

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    No sympathy here, sorry.

    t is beyond me how such tatical maneuvers can be deemed necessary even if the riders were in violation of riding more than 2 abreast after sunset.
    well, there's your answer right there. Perhaps if your group contacted the authorities ahead of time for an event permit or special road closure or what ever it takes to not be in violation of the laws, the cops wouldn't do what they did.

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    Isn't Stone Mountain technically a private park? They're probably not 'real' cops and they probably don't give a crap.

    Now, I do think the two abreast thing is a little silly to get in a huff about as if they're going with traffic, you can have way more than two abreast in a single lane (and the cyclists should be worthy of a full lane if they're going at the speed limit), which would make the group more compact and easier to pass in the left lane.

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    easier to pass in the left lane.
    you can't always pass in the left lane. Some roads are blind, or slow or there's too much on coming traffic. Or, maybe you are like my mom, 80 years old and terrified to pass a group of cyclists on a curvy road....

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    Assuming stone mountain is a theme park, this is what it says on their FAQ:


    * Do you have bike trails or somewhere for me to ride my bicycle at the Park?
    Bicycles can be ridden along the roadways inside the Park. There is a dedicated bicycle lane on Robert E. Lee Blvd., on the back side of the mountain. Bikers must ride single file and follow all traffic laws.


    If it's a theme park, I'm assuming it's private land & roads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Irulan View Post
    you can't always pass in the left lane. Some roads are blind, or slow or there's too much on coming traffic. Or, maybe you are like my mom, 80 years old and terrified to pass a group of cyclists on a curvy road....
    Yes, but the context of my post was cyclists traveling at the same speed as cars. Why would your 80 yo mom need to pass the cyclists in that case?

    Also, left lane implies two lanes going in the same direction. If your mom is afraid to drive he left lane-that is going the same direction as the right lane-perhaps your mom shouldn't be on the road at all.

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    Based on the facts presented, it appears that the cyclists were not following the rules and knew it.

    The officer was doing his/her job.

    To be honest, I would get nervous coming upon a big group of cyclists riding fast on a curvy park road, even if there was a passing lane. I'm 46 years old and have a good driving record.

    We all have a civic duty to obey the rules of the road, regardless of our mode of transportation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ilima View Post
    Yes, but the context of my post was cyclists traveling at the same speed as cars. Why would your 80 yo mom need to pass the cyclists in that case?

    Also, left lane implies two lanes going in the same direction. If your mom is afraid to drive he left lane-that is going the same direction as the right lane-perhaps your mom shouldn't be on the road at all.
    I guess we are going to get all nitpicky here... somewhere I missed that there were two parallel lanes, and I was picking up the concept of a group of bikers blocking/filling a single lane on a two lane road, in general. Stupid me I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zen View Post
    I offer guidance,only, never admonition.

    Thank you and I now return you to your regularly scheduled programming.
    You forgot to add wonderfully witty sarcasm!
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    Quote Originally Posted by uforgot View Post
    You forgot to add wonderfully witty sarcasm!
    I've seen her admonish a helpful shaggy man in a kilt.

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    humoru

    Yep our original Zen has a wicked sense of humour & plays an accordian

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    Quote Originally Posted by Catriona View Post
    I've seen her admonish a helpful shaggy man in a kilt.
    He was a hazard in himself.
    But that's another story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zen View Post
    He was a hazard in himself.
    But that's another story.
    True that.

    I'd've kicked him in his kilt if he'd run over my litespeed.

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    Just in case you haven't found the rules

    Here you go. http://stonemountainpark.com/faq/

    Do you have bike trails or somewhere for me to ride my bicycle at the Park?
    Bicycles can be ridden along the roadways inside the Park. There is a dedicated bicycle lane on Robert E. Lee Blvd., on the back side of the mountain. Bikers must ride single file and follow all traffic laws.


    I'm guessing that since the park is owned by the State of Georgia, state traffic laws apply and that there is traffic through out the hours of operation.

    What time do the Park Gates open? What time do the attractions open? Park Gates are open daily, 6:00 a.m. to Midnight. Attraction hours vary. Visit the Operating Dates & Hours page for attraction hours on the day of your visit.
    Last edited by SadieKate; 05-05-2009 at 07:24 AM.
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