" 'Nuff said" was intended to be humorous, not whatever you seem to think it was. Which I frankly can't quite figure out.
Interesting that you characterize me explaining my point of view as "defensive". LOL!
Like I said, if it doesn't work for you, don't use it - and I know from shoulder pain, I'm still recovering from frozen shoulder and don't have full range of motion in that shoulder, probably never will again.
Between the bad shoulder on the left, and the bad elbow on the right, I just don't want to be struggling with getting a water bottle in and out of a cage with next to no clearance, LOL!
All I'm saying is that a camelback-style hydration system is an option. And again, if it doesn't work for you, that's a shame, nobody says you have to use it after all. It all depends on your motivation to try something new and different, which is probably lacking if you have enough room on your bike to fit a couple of full size bottles, and the mobility to feel comfortable reaching around to snag them.
For me, the camelback gives me all the water I need for even long rides, leaving the frame mounted water bottle for gatorade. So when I stop, I can wriggle the water bottle out and have some alternate hydration to go with my peanut butter crackers, raisins, or dates, and still have easy access to water while I ride.



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