I think I'm gonna go with the pre-aged version, now I just have to decide on the B17 or the Flyer. I'll just have to overlook the whole brown saddle/black bike thing. In the end comfort is the best. Thanks for the suggestion on reading sheldon's article. I've been to his site lots. It's just that as soon as I think I've decided on the Flyer, I end up reading a thread and think that the flyer will be all wrong for my road cycling and think I should maybe go with the Jett 155mm or the Ruby 155mm. I need to just quite reading the saddle threads and get one. At least Wallbike has a 6 month return policy. If anyone has anymore ideas I'm all ears!!!