I have not tried out the bars you mention, but have been pondering the same thing for my new ride. Everything is too big on my current ride. But, the bar (not sure of brand) is a compact ergo shallow reach/short drop bar. Size 40cm. I'm sped'ed for a 38cm. One fitter suggested the 3T Ergonova. It's short reach/shallow drop ergo. Measures "center to center" and does flare out at the drops. The "c-c" measurement is at the drop point. So, a 38cm bar is actually 36cm at the hoods. Thinking, will she fit, or be a bit narrow. Some peeps like a Bonrtager bar, think is called the VR bar? with short reach and shallow drop. Salsa makes a short reach shallow drop bar called Poco I think. 40cm is more standard of options/makers. Going to 38cm/less, choices get less too.