"Special Women's Section"

[ttaylor508]

In the Women's section of this months Bicycling mag is a pretty cool story about a women that went to a Women's Bicycling camp/training in Asheville, NC. I thought it was funny and well written -- there were definitely parts of it that I could relate to, especially when she gets dropped from their ride

I enjoyed the story about the women's cycling retreat too! I guess I wish this section had more stories and less products and ads. The section after that one on nutrition was interesting especially the part about "peeing away your muscles after age 40" (sorry, I am straying from subject here)

And by the way, I am built like a box too!

[Miranda]

My issue came late in the mail too. I just ripped the package open last night. Thought the same thing... hmm, wonder if everyone gets this special gold sticker on the front. I just got as far as reading about the bikes. Close to my new ride is in there for review. I was doing ok on the article until the notion that "women have long legs and short torsos" came up. Umm, that would NOT be me (shorty legs, long torso--can fit unisex). Guess I'm technically built like a man then. OH... I kinda like the pink cuz it shows dirt really well when you mtb in it and play in the mud. I dunno why my mother stopped putting me in dresses as a young girl.

[uforgot]

Not everyone is built the same. A lot of us DO have long legs and short torsos. WSD has been a wonderful thing for some of us. I enjoyed the article about the retreats too, and the comparison between WSD and other versions of bikes.

[Crankin]

I will ask this question again:

Why is it automatically assumed that if you are athletic, you don't like certain things that are associated with being "girly"? To me, that is another version of stereotyping.
I like getting dirty, working hard, sweating, and all that. I also like manicures, make up, and wearing dresses.
No one would see me as a "frilly" type, but, come on everyone. The point here is that Bicycling should make their "woman's" section better/different. I haven't seen the section, since our subscription is in my husband's name, but let's try to make our complaining more focused on that, rather than putting down those of us who might like some of these things. You can't assume that women who are "out getting a manicure" would not be interested in buying a bike or be great riders, any more than you can assume someone who is tall is a basketball star. Just my humble thoughts.

[chutch]

It's too bad that it's a "special women's section" instead of just covering women's specific topics year-round. But, I no longer read Bicycling because, like someone mentioned, they're trying to reach too broad of an audience and it became more ads than content so I'm somewhat ignorant on the mag now.

[BleeckerSt_Girl]

I agree. There are certainly more than enough women cyclists to warrant having women-specific cycling articles just naturally presented within the magazine regularly. Enough of this dumb "Special Women's Section" stuff- like it's something weird or unusual for women to be riding bicycles. They ought to just get a clue.

[Aggie_Ama]

Not everyone is built the same. A lot of us DO have long legs and short torsos. WSD has been a wonderful thing for some of us. I enjoyed the article about the retreats too, and the comparison between WSD and other versions of bikes.

Agreed. I get that many women can't ride WSD and hate only seeing that. But being 5'2" with little torso I can't fit a man's bike. Trust me, I tried to get a commuter. The top tube length are really out of whack, WSD is a blessing for me. And I like my frame too.

I will ask this question again:

Why is it automatically assumed that if you are athletic, you don't like certain things that are associated with being "girly"? To me, that is another version of stereotyping.
I like getting dirty, working hard, sweating, and all that. I also like manicures, make up, and wearing dresses.

Also agreed. I like sweating, hiking, landscaping my yard. I also like pink and purple jerseys. I like baking. I like running but my running shoes are grey and pink because I liked the looks and the feel. I dye my hair because I am going grey and I don't fancy the natural color. I wear makeup daily. I don't dress girlie, mostly jeans and t-shirts. So in my opinion I am just me and unclassified.

Bicycling is broad reaching and I think trying too hard but I applaud them for at least trying. Some of the other publications ignore women completely. And if you look sometimes the person reviewing a "mans" bike is a woman.

[sundial]

You can't assume that women who are "out getting a manicure" would not be interested in buying a bike or be great riders, any more than you can assume someone who is tall is a basketball star. Just my humble thoughts.

Crankin, I agree with you.

However, with that being said.....my LBS has tried to entice female customers with WSD bikes, clothing, and accessories. Women's cycling gear is still hanging on the racks, WSD bikes are slow to move, and the ladies shoe sales are sluggish at best. It's not for lack of customer service--the staff bend over backwards to help customers. When I have been there during their busiest time, and if the ladies are there, it's to accompany their husbands or boyfriends while they are test riding bikes. I've only seen one lady purchase a WSD mountain bike while I was there. Many of the female customers head over to the running gear section instead.

On the flip side to that, I'm the one in the family that shops for tools and tinkers with stuff. Until hardware store clerks get accustomed to seeing me, they assume I'm shopping for my husband.

[ZenSojourner]

Last time I checked, the so-called "WSD" designs - at least in the smallest sizes, where it makes the most difference - were no improvement over the old line. Specifically, I compared the new WSD line of Trek's to my old didn't-fit Trek 430? 420? (It was the cheap version of their excellent but not sized for women touring bike).

I discovered that the so-called WSD bikes actually had LONGER top tube lengths in their smallest sizes than my old Trek, which had a top tube that was already actually an inch to an inch and a half too long for that size frame.

In the larger sizes they may very well be suitable for taller women. But in the smaller sizes, if you stick with a 700c front wheel, there's no way to get the top tube short enough AND not have toe clip.

I stood in a bike shop one day and listened to a (male) employee telling a woman that if the forward reach was too long for her, they could just move the seat forward. I had to show HIM how to make sure the rider is properly positioned over the pedals (and that he COULDN'T move the seat much forward without violating that aspect of bike fit).

There are times when unisex is appropriate and times when it's not.

Socks, for instance. There's nothing about socks that ought to relegate them solely to people of only the XX or XY persuasion. (Well, discounting frilly socks, pink socks, socks with bunnies or ponies on them . . . )

Let me rephrase that.

There's nothing about PLAIN BLACK COTTON socks that says only males or only females should be wearing these socks.

When I was living in Puerto Rico and had to buy black socks for my son as part of his school uniform, I could not find plain black cotton socks in the boys department for love or money. However, being a non-sexual-segregation type of thinker, I quickly found plain black cotton socks in the GIRL's department. So I bought him six pairs. (Trust me, NOBODY wants to be wearing nylon socks, particularly BLACK nylon socks, in a Puerto Rican summer)

Later at a beach party some guy whose son was also attending the same school was bemoaning to me his inability to find Plain Black Cotton Socks for his son. I found them, sez I (all innocent and unawares). Where? queries he.

I told him where.

He HIT the flippin' ROOF. Well he would have had there been a roof. He started to read me the riot act about dressing my son in, quote, "GIRL'S CLOTHES". I didn't let this guy get to far into this ridiculous rant (he was wearing SOCKS fer cryin' out loud, not frilly undies).

"Maybe we should just talk about something else." quoth I.

"No, we should talk about NOTHING at all!" he screamed, wobbling off in high dudgeon, as if removing his unpleasant and inebriated presence was some sort of loss to me.

Hey, saved me getting rid of the jerk, LOL!

OK, so unisex socks are NOT ok, but unisex bikes are the only right way. WSD bikes are just a marketing ploy. They're no different than men's bikes except they're inferior. So if you're a serious cyclist you should buy a REAL (eg men's) bike.

But heaven forfend we start sock-cross-dressing!

You gotta laugh. And then go buy a Terry.

Sojourner

[BleeckerSt_Girl]

When I was living in Puerto Rico and had to buy black socks for my son as part of his school uniform, I could not find plain black cotton socks in the boys department for love or money. ...(Trust me, NOBODY wants to be wearing nylon socks, particularly BLACK nylon socks, in a Puerto Rican summer)

Having lived for many years in Puerto Rico myself, I can confirm this. In fact, best not to wear socks at all in the summer, unless you are hanging out in some air conditioned place or going out at night when it's cooler.
Nothing like breaking into a sweat between the time you step out of the cool shower and when you pull your fresh cotton clothes on.

[Tuckervill]

Reminded me of a Barenaked Ladies song:

My Big Sister
I like my big sister.
But I don't want to wear her coat.
It may be black
It may fit perfect
But you and I both know it's a girl's coat

Now I can handle some hand me downs
But shirts and sandals are out of bounds
Balls and games and such I don't mind
But a coat is over the line

Last time I checked, the so-called "WSD" designs - at least in the smallest sizes, where it makes the most difference - were no improvement over the old line. Specifically, I compared the new WSD line of Trek's to my old didn't-fit Trek 430? 420? (It was the cheap version of their excellent but not sized for women touring bike).

I discovered that the so-called WSD bikes actually had LONGER top tube lengths in their smallest sizes than my old Trek, which had a top tube that was already actually an inch to an inch and a half too long for that size frame.

In the larger sizes they may very well be suitable for taller women. But in the smaller sizes, if you stick with a 700c front wheel, there's no way to get the top tube short enough AND not have toe clip.

I stood in a bike shop one day and listened to a (male) employee telling a woman that if the forward reach was too long for her, they could just move the seat forward. I had to show HIM how to make sure the rider is properly positioned over the pedals (and that he COULDN'T move the seat much forward without violating that aspect of bike fit).

There are times when unisex is appropriate and times when it's not.

Socks, for instance. There's nothing about socks that ought to relegate them solely to people of only the XX or XY persuasion. (Well, discounting frilly socks, pink socks, socks with bunnies or ponies on them . . . )

Let me rephrase that.

There's nothing about PLAIN BLACK COTTON socks that says only males or only females should be wearing these socks.

When I was living in Puerto Rico and had to buy black socks for my son as part of his school uniform, I could not find plain black cotton socks in the boys department for love or money. However, being a non-sexual-segregation type of thinker, I quickly found plain black cotton socks in the GIRL's department. So I bought him six pairs. (Trust me, NOBODY wants to be wearing nylon socks, particularly BLACK nylon socks, in a Puerto Rican summer)

Later at a beach party some guy whose son was also attending the same school was bemoaning to me his inability to find Plain Black Cotton Socks for his son. I found them, sez I (all innocent and unawares). Where? queries he.

I told him where.

He HIT the flippin' ROOF. Well he would have had there been a roof. He started to read me the riot act about dressing my son in, quote, "GIRL'S CLOTHES". I didn't let this guy get to far into this ridiculous rant (he was wearing SOCKS fer cryin' out loud, not frilly undies).

"Maybe we should just talk about something else." quoth I.

"No, we should talk about NOTHING at all!" he screamed, wobbling off in high dudgeon, as if removing his unpleasant and inebriated presence was some sort of loss to me.

Hey, saved me getting rid of the jerk, LOL!

OK, so unisex socks are NOT ok, but unisex bikes are the only right way. WSD bikes are just a marketing ploy. They're no different than men's bikes except they're inferior. So if you're a serious cyclist you should buy a REAL (eg men's) bike.

But heaven forfend we start sock-cross-dressing!

You gotta laugh. And then go buy a Terry.

Sojourner

[OakLeaf]

Until hardware store clerks get accustomed to seeing me, they assume I'm shopping for my husband.

A little OT but you brought back a memory of going to Sears with my husband for a new set of tools for our new household. "Where's your stuff?" the female cashier asked me. I had to point out, "Well, his motorcycle doesn't need this 27 mm wrench, or this #3 Phillips screwdriver..."

[Heifzilla]

My issue came late in the mail too. I just ripped the package open last night. Thought the same thing... hmm, wonder if everyone gets this special gold sticker on the front. I just got as far as reading about the bikes. Close to my new ride is in there for review. I was doing ok on the article until the notion that "women have long legs and short torsos" came up. Umm, that would NOT be me (shorty legs, long torso--can fit unisex). Guess I'm technically built like a man then. OH... I kinda like the pink cuz it shows dirt really well when you mtb in it and play in the mud. I dunno why my mother stopped putting me in dresses as a young girl.

I'm a short legged, long torso'd, wiiiiiiiiiide hipped chick. So, what the heck does that make me?? I also love HOT pink. Not pastel. I mean screaming in your face HOT PINK