Can't Breathe up Hills!!

[silver]

hmm.... lots of thoughts here.


Intervals on any type of cardio machine.

This is the way that I instruct intervals in my spin classes.

The basic idea is warm up 5 to 10 minutes, 8 reps of 30 seconds hard, 90 seconds recovery, 5 to 10 minutes recovery.

During the hard intervals, you should push your pace/tension/ intensity to the point where you are out of breath, can't talk, don't think that you can go on any longer. Then recover. You can do this on any cardio format, running, elliptical, etc. Outdoors on the bike you can do hill repeats to simulate the same thing.

As this has become easier, we have shortened the recovery times, increased the number of sets, increased the length of the hard intervals.

An example of a recent class is as follows:

30 sec hard, 60 easy
2 times (30 hard, 45 easy)
3 times (30 hard, 30 easy)
Standing:
3 times (30 hard, 30 easy)
sittting:
6 times (20 hard, 10 easy)
60 addtional recovery
45 hard 60 easy
90 hard 60 easy
3 minutes hard, done

[tulip]

What Silver said.

How long is your commute? I found my commute (when I commuted, it was 14 miles each way) to be okay, but not great, for club rides. It did not have the intensity of a club ride. If your commute is short, you may find that increasing it and adding days and intensity will help. If you are only riding one or two times a week, that is likely not enough.

It wasn't until I started taking spinning classes that I really improved on club rides. 2x week (intense, with heart rate monitor to gauge effort) really helped, more would have been better but twice a week was all I could manage.

Now I don't commute anymore but I still take spin classes. My early club rides have been slower than I like, but it's early and I just go at my own pace.

Your club rides might just be too fast for you at this point. If your club offers different paced rides, you might want to consider stepping down to a more realistic pace, get stronger there without getting so discouraged, and then step up later in the season. I've found that macho-guy (and sometimes girl) club rides are real hammerfests and don't do me any good.

[ny biker]

Just to rule out medical issues - I assume the problem is normal getting out of breath, not anything more serious.

If you're wheezing, or you feel like your lungs just won't open up enough for you to get good deep breaths, that would be asthma. The main asthma trigger for me is riding my bike up big hills.

p.s. "Sucktastic" is my new favorite word.

[MartianDestiny]

Thanks all.

Embarrassingly these are "for fun", "easy pace", no drop rides. I think last week's average speed was a whooping 15mph in the "fast" group Hopefully as the season progresses there will be more riders along (there were only 8 this week and I was the only out of shape one!) at which point they will break into more groups. For now apparently I'm the only "snail" who is "hard core" enough to ride at 33*F so I feel bad when they ride at my pace for me.

Basically, I think it should be a good group for me after some frustration and it's a great group now because although I feel bad and frustrated they are super cool and encouraging. It helps that they wanted me to do this and I warned them, so they seem committed to getting me "up to speed" (or is that the dollar signs as I continue to buy gear from them? )

My commute is a joke. 4.5 miles, one baby hill, and one pretty steep climb at the end (that I only have to do on the way in). The hill and my 15lb pack (MacBooks are heavy boogers!) are the only reasons it's challenging. I view it more as "keep the legs moving" and a mental break than any sort of productive training. Maybe I'll start doing lunchtime intervals on said hill?!

I will definitely start the intervals Silver suggested somehow, on a bike if at all possible. How often is considered effective without being overboard? In theory I can cut the time out to do something like this every day with a break day Sat and the rides on Sundays; is that smart or overkill?

I know I need to get on a bike more often. I'm hoping to make it daily or near daily as the weather warms and I get daylight. For now it's either snowing or blowing 40mph crosswinds and I don't have a trainer so I'll have to make due with alternates

And no, no wheezing, thank goodness. I do have lung issues as a possibility stuck in the back of my mind after 20 years of second hand smoke. For now though I'll go with the being out of shape theory (it's much much easier and less scary to fix!)

Thanks again for the tips. I'm hoping to be more in shape before I loose the excuse of a semi-heavy bike in a few months!

[silver]

You could do some research to determine what is the best frequency.

However...I'm not a real trainer, I only play one on TV.

But I'd suggest 3 times a week. This type of workout is focused on raising your anaearobic threshold. Your overall exercise routine should also include some longer distance slower activities and some mid intensity medium length exercise.

[Miranda]

Hey, that's close to my bike. I have an OCR1. I've been geeking out something new. My girl doesn't fit me so great is part of my deal. Oh well, live and learn.

Good for you on doing the club rides. Here's my humble thoughts on the matter...

1) Silver is right. We do these in spin class and it truly helps. Also, just building your over all low end aerobic base helps. Thus, it makes it even more work (& increased fitness level) to reach that breathless place.

2) does anyone in your area know of spin classes if your gym does not have them? Some gyms will let you just pay for the class without joining.

3) does anyone in the group, or shop, have a spare trainer or set of rollers (much harder to do, I dunno how atm), for you to borrow? Or rent for a small fee? That would give you some time to work on just your fitness. Outside there is so many things to think about vs being stationary.

4) OK, this is "Mother Miranda" speaking now... please, please, purty please... go to a doctor about the lung thing.

I have asthma, and also had years of growing up in a chain smoking house (just sad). You DO NOT need to have the classic wheeze to have asthma!!!

DD's stupid peds doc missed the freakin boat when I kept telling him that I did not wheeze, DH did not, etc. and HEY!!! based on fm hx, my kid has asthma! Well, until she got into PICU almost on a vent and nearly died.

We are *coughers*. It is less common--read hard to dx. I find my inflamation feels like clearing my throat. Like a sinus issue. It's not. It's the asthma inflamation.

ALSO... if you do have some lung damage (not asthma), there are meds the doc can give you to improve that as well depending what it is.

I have a boat load of meds... yea it sucks, but guess what? I CAN BREATH. I do not let my asthma define who I am, or my riding (as it should no one).

Lastly from this moma lecture is that if it is... the exercise will actual improve your base. I take an inhailer before, and it helps me to be ok in the situation you are describing.

OK... I think I'm done now.

[tulip]

I agree with the asthma/lung thing, especially if you lived in a smoking household for nearly your whole life!! Don't get me started on that one!

I used to have asthma. I don't know if it was exercise-induced or allergy-induced only (I know allergies were part of it), but I've had a few bad attacks off the bike and just plain discomfort on the bike. In fact, when I was racing (I sucked) when I was your age, I ALWAYS felt like I was out of shape, I always got dropped. It wasn't until years later that I was diagnosed with asthma and got an inhaler. All of a sudden I was able to breathe on those hills! So get that checked out ASAP. If you have carpets where you live, either remove them or move to a place with wood or tile floors as soon as you are able. Removing carpet from my environment pretty much cleared up my asthma.

Don't discount your commute--it's GREAT to live close enough for a bike commute! Use your commute just as you do--for transportation, relaxation, and building a solid base. The more you are on your bike, the better you will be, and the better the world will be!

[ASammy1]

We are *coughers*. It is less common--read hard to dx. I find my inflamation feels like clearing my throat. Like a sinus issue. It's not. It's the asthma inflamation.

I too was a "cougher" and not a "wheezer" it took 3 specialists to figure out I had asthma when I was a kid...

Go see a Dr, MartianDestiny.

[MartianDestiny]

Thanks again all.

I got up and ran using the interval concept this morning. Definitely gives the lungs a work out. I also talked to the shop/ride guys this morning and they don't seem at all surprised or concerned that I'm getting dropped at this early juncture. Basically the comment was "this is Boulder and everyone is a professional athlete" *sigh*. They promise me that there will be slower riders as the weather warms up; apparently they suspect I'll be able to keep up with the mechanic's pregnant wife who will be joining us soon (I'm not sure if I should consider that a good thing or a very very bad thing ).

On a happy note my new bike is built and hanging, begging to be ridden, in the shop. Darn it's perdy! NEED TAX RETURN NOW!!!

Anyway, I'm going to give intervals and increased riding a few weeks to work their magic and if I'm not improving I promise I'll go see a doctor (for the first time in ~10 years might I add!! )