What makes a participant do these things??

[eclectic]

I have been lurking on the spinning thread for awhile and really thinking about a lot of it. So here are my thoughts FWIW

re: a lot of contraindicated moves like pushups, one arm behind the back etc. I have decided it boils down to teaching philosophy and reasons for spinning.
I am assuming everyone on this site are outside, regular bike riders first, spin class instructors/participants 2nd.

I did some informal research to find out how many participants in the spin class I attend ride regular bikes outside - in a group of 12 there were 3. All others simply go to spin class year round and don't own bikes. They are strictly there for what the workout can do for them and feel good if they think they are getting a "full body" workout. They don't give a rip about proper cycling form or whether any movements are contraindicative to "real" cycling and the classes are geared to them - they are the majority.

One of the more popular instructors is a road rider whom I ride regularly w/. I kind of feel she sold out. She went to some workshops and is now doing all the crazy arm stuff. I don't care if she gets mad at me but I don't do them. I just say "I swam over a mile this morning, I got plenty of upper body workout."
When she does something else I don't agree w/ I just don't do it.

Re people leaving - if it is the same people over and over again I agree that is a problem. However, I have seen a lot of beginners leave after 1/2 hour because of the intensity of the workout, they try to keep up w/ the big dogs and burn out. I try to tell my beginning friends to gear down, sit down, spin slower and do what it takes but try to get through the hour at an easier pace - but we all know what group mentality is like

Re talking during class How loud are they talking? Is it interrupting the instructor? people beside them? If not I say let it go - they are not in school, they are not training for some elite event where they are being paid millions of dollars so if they want to talk they can. If they aren't pedaling hard enough to not talk who really cares.
If they are bothering others then that is an issue and can be asked to talk more quietly or move to the back where others can't hear them.
I am guilty, I have talked in class sometimes and I don't care. Others can still hear and I am not interrupting the instructor. It is not Boot camp, the instructor is not a drill sargent. I am not getting paid to be there, I am paying to be there. I get out of it what I put into it, if my friend and I don't want to work as hard that day that is our problem.

I have taught general adult education art classes for years, I have taught teacher workshops and I teach HS students daily. I have learned that general population adults are not good students and teachers believe it or not are the rudest of all. BUT they are paying for the class, if they don't want to do something I am not going to make them. I introduce it, I help them if needed but I have learned it is not a reflection on me or my class if they don't succeed.

I do think it is up to the instructor to point out and assist w/ good form to help prevent injury. I get upset w/ instructors who just sit on their spin bikes yelling out instructions and never get off to assist the participants w/ seat height, body alignment, foot position etc. I believe they are getting paid to teach, not just to get their own workout in. I have stopped my workout (for which I am paying BTW) more than once to help the person beside me adjust their bike while the instructor stayed on her bike. I realize that stopping, getting off your bike, helping someone can throw off the flow, but I have seen the good instructors be able to multi task and keep everyone else going while they help someone.

Which brings me to MY RANT. I wanted to talk to the programming director to find out what I would need to do to get certified to teach a beginning spin class. I was intercepted by the spin instructor mentioned earlier. She said "I will talk to her but they won't let you do it because I am already on staff and I don't cost them any more money" I am sure she never mentioned it to the director. Me thinks she doesn't want competition.
My feeling (because I have been there) is even our classes touted as "beginner" are much too difficult for a beginner - I see them come, last 20 minutes, leave and never come back. I wanted to start one where there was longer recovery, slower cadences, teach proper form etc. I had a group of followers (OK they were my friends who were really pumped about it. Well nothing has happened and the classes are still puking hard if you do what the instructor tells you to do and beginners don't come back.

I just realized I have quit going to classes taught by that specific instructor and just go to the one taught by another friend from our summer riding group. He teaches much more traditionally and straight forward, fixes the bikes if something is wrong and helps people. He gets an A+ in my book.

[Crankin]

Yes, Eclectic, that woman was wearing headphones when she came to my class. She knew she was singing loud enough for us to hear her. She just stayed in the back of the room and did her own thing. She was slightly off, putting it mildly.
I quit teaching classes because of all of the above stuff. It was worse than the kids at school. At times I have thought about getting spin certified, since it is not a huge time commitment. But, I am not sure who would like my classes. I was always the safe, slower paced instructor with aerobics and my classes were full of people just like me. Not that I couldn't dance really fast in my 30's and 40's, but after just a couple of years and a stress fracture and plantar fascitis, I learned my lesson. My gym does not seem quite as bad as some of the stuff discussed here, but we definitely have the teachers who are riders and the ones who are just spin instructors. I have been going to class pretty regularly since December; the one I can get to on Saturday has awful remixed music just like what I had in the 80s. Her class has gotten better, though. But Thursday i had the cat 2 racer/triathlete for class. What a difference. The time went by so fast and I was doing what cyclists do. Good music, too. At least we have to call and sign up or you don't get in. They give you a card and have to present it to the instructor.
I just don't like the cattiness of the clients; I would have some people tell my boss that I was terrible and someone else from the same class would say I was the best instructor, ever. I am glad that in another month I won't have to go as much.