Wish I knew how I was supposed to sit on my bike...

[OakLeaf]

It's not just the saddle itself, it's the tilt, the length of your stem.... And you'll sit differently on every different saddle, so I don't know that there's an answer to your question really.

My guess is, if your saddle is a size and shape that allows you to sit on your sit bones, but you're not doing it, the saddle probably isn't the culprit. Try tilting the nose up just a bit. If you don't have a micro-adjustable seatpost, you can shim the tilt with a little piece of metal cut from a can (steel can is best because it's thicker and won't compress as much, but you can use aluminum, folded in half or fourths). Especially if you're constantly sliding forward on a T-shaped saddle, a tilt adjustment might help.

Off topic - but Aggie, maybe just some shallower drops would be useful. The stock bars on our bike are rather deep. Obviously it wouldn't put you in as low an aero tuck as your stock bars, but if you can be comfortable, it'll give you a better position for pacelining and descending. Earlier this year I put on a set of Ritchey Biomax Pro bars (thanks, Liza!) - a bit wider but also much shallower and ergo drops - and I'm really loving them.

[Aggie_Ama]

Off topic - but Aggie, maybe just some shallower drops would be useful. The stock bars on our bike are rather deep. Obviously it wouldn't put you in as low an aero tuck as your stock bars, but if you can be comfortable, it'll give you a better position for pacelining and descending. Earlier this year I put on a set of Ritchey Biomax Pro bars (thanks, Liza!) - a bit wider but also much shallower and ergo drops - and I'm really loving them.

I have been wanting to put Salsa Short and Shallows on the bike. I used to have them when I had my Fuji and really liked them. I don't need anymore carbon so alloy is fine. Going to replace those probably this summer when I need new bar tape anyway. Back to Deb's thread.

[gingerale]

I bought my bike back in July. I'd been riding a borrowed bike before that. I was professionally fitted and then went and did a week ride in Iowa. I thought I'd had another child...except with more pain. lol! Came back and changed my stem. Better. Went back again and changed my seat tilt. MUCH BETTER!!! I am now convinced that it takes more than 1 or even 2 fittings for it to be perfect. Because in the end, while it may technically "look" like it fits based on measurements and all, your butt may say differently after several miles. But that's just my ever so amateur opinion. I hope you get it all figured out. I know how much it hurts sitting on those girly parts your entire ride.

[Andrea]

Deb- don't over-think it
As for sitting:
I'm a huge fan of sitting however I feel is necessary for the distance/terrian/effort that I'm doing! I don't think there's really a "right" or "wrong" way- usually, I'm back on the wide part of the saddle sitting square on my seat bones, but sometimes I'll roll forward, flatten my back a bit, and be supporting most of my weight on my ischium (click here for a pelvis bone diagram). Sometimes, I'm someplace in between! Just do whatever feels right for you.

As for saddles/fitting:
If you're getting soft tissue pain, chances are, you need a saddle with a cutout (or at least some sort of pressure-relief channel). Personally, whenever I've tried non-cutout saddles, not only do I get horribly sore/chafed soft tissue, the rest of my body (back, shoulders, hands, etc) hurts from trying to hold my pelvis in a position that keeps my soft tissue from getting squished! They'd always gave me the feeling that my fit was way off: I'd feel like the saddle was too far back, my bars were too low, and/or my stem was too short. However, as soon as I swapped for a cutout saddle, my bike fit felt fine (I actually ended up lowering my bars & going with a longer stem!).

I went through 16 saddles before I figured out what I like (I ride a Selle SMP Lite 209, which is still not perfect, but I can tolerate it). Based on my personal experience, I recommend the following saddle-searching steps:

1. Find out your seatbone width. Most shops have some sort of measuring device that you can use. Get a center-to-center measurement and look at saddles that are at least equal to or a little wider than that measurement.
2. Determine how much padding you want. Generally, less padding is going to result in a little seatbone soreness for the first few rides, but will give you fewer problems with saddle sores. A lot of padding can also close up your cutout once it starts to break down. Never a pleasant thing!
3. Shop around for your desired width/padding- ideally you'll find someplace that offers a satisfaction guarantee- Terry, specialized, bontrager, and some LBS's will allow you a certain time during which you can return a saddle if you don't like it. This can save you a lot of money! If you think that the SMP saddles look like something you'd like, check out cbike.com. They have a 10-day demo program.
4. Don't be put off by price or weight. Your comfort is more important than either of those things.
5. Once you get a saddle, get a basic re-fit (a lot of LBS's do this for free if you order through them). Because of differences in saddle and rail length/height, you often need to adjust the height and fore/aft position of a new saddle.
6. Ride! If your seatbones get sore, ride some more. If you start getting chafing/saddle sores, then it's likely that you and the saddle aren't meant to be! Return it (or sell it), and try again with a saddle that's got a different shape and/or padding.
7. Rinse and repeat until you find one that you love!

[DebTX]

Great advice from everyone! Now I've got a plan.

1) Try out the new saddle I saw at a Trek booth earlier this year (the sales rep had the "measuring thing" so I know what size I need). She thought the "Bontrager Inform RL WSD" would be good for me. If it's no good, keep trying.

2) After the new saddle is on, get refitted at my LBS. When I had the first fitting I'd never even been on a road bike before, so I'll bet some follow up tweaks are needed.

Thank you!

[Aggie_Ama]

Mellow Johnny's is the only shop in town I have seen the inform at. I was very curious about it myself but didn't need to spend the money the last time I was in there. I wonder how their policy is on trying them out?

[ny biker]

Trek has a 90-day comfort guarantee on all saddles.

I tried out the Inform RL in three different widths last fall before deciding that it wasn't the saddle for me. At which point I returned the third one. By then I had lost the receipt but the LBS took it back anyway (I had worked directly with the store manager when I first bought it, so he knew I had bought it there).

I really liked the way the nose of the saddle was designed, but unfortunately it was too pear-shaped for me, which is why I returned it.

[alleyoop]

Mellow Johnny's is the only shop in town I have seen the inform at. I was very curious about it myself but didn't need to spend the money the last time I was in there. I wonder how their policy is on trying them out?

I can't answer to MJ, but when I was on my saddle quest, I bought and returned 9! I can say with confidence that you can return saddles at REI and Performance. Actually, I bought 5 saddles from Performance one day, with the intention of returning 4 or 5 of them. I was seriously on the hunt! BSS gave me the evil eye, but took them back. When I knew what I was looking for I could tell within a mile if it was "in the running" or not. So buy a lot, try a lot.

THings got much better for me when I pushed way back in the saddle, concentrating on squeezing my abs to round my back (so that I felt like I looked like the TE click-to-shop chic) and found the Sel Italia Gel Flow saddle @ Performance. Distinct T shaped, thin nose, little padding (who knew!), full cutout-split design. Yum. This one even works on my Mt. Bike I love it so!

Good luck!

[fidlfreek]

. She thought the "Bontrager Inform RL WSD" would be good for me.

I ride that saddle! I tried a few and found this one to be good because the cut outs in the other ones just seemed too large for me. It felt like my bones were straight on metal. BAD. So far its been probably 1000+ miles and we are still getting along.

I will say that the first few rides were not pleasant. It seems we needed just a bit of time to get used to one another.