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    Quote Originally Posted by TsPoet View Post
    How 'bout going with a PhD in Toxicology?
    It's an urban legend. One of many (like Bisphenol A, fluoride...)
    I could ramble on forever. But, basically it comes down to the quote by Paracelsus, the Godfather of Toxicology - to paraphrase "The dose makes the poison". The Chemist friend is correct, but almost everything is poisonous, at the right dose. There are even stories of water being poisonous to individuals who drink to much of it.
    The dose isn't left on the floor. I wouldn't let my dogs eat the cloths, though.
    Exactly my point. The propylene glycol within the solution is probably OK because it is a very small percent of the total solution. The problem starts when the accompanying ingredients (water & alcohol) evaporate, thus leaving a strong residue of propylene glycol on the floor. It can be absorbed through paws and/or licked off of the floor. Remember that dogs & cats are smaller than humans, so are potentially affected more adversely by toxic substances.

    Hills (Science Diet folks) use ethoxyquin as a preservative in their kibble. Ethoxyquin is a potent carcinogen. Hills claims that the minute amount used won't harm animals. Oddly enough, ethoxyquin is also used in their prescription diets - foods used for sick animals. Now, why would you add a carcinogen to a food & feed it to a dog with a compromised immune system or other organic problems...? I digress....

    Regarding Snopes, etc., I cannot believe most of those websites. Unfortunately, the internet is full of misinformation. That's why I went directly to a guy who knows his chemicals.

    Bottom line - why chance it? There are natural cleaners available that are not harmful to animals or the environment. I have a German Shepherd whose paws bring in more dirt than a front loading tractor. I find that vacuuming & wet mopping with water only (I have tile) works just fine. I'd rather have slightly discolored grout and a healthy dog & cat. Just my opinion.
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    This malkin loves the steamer to clean the floors, the tile, the ...porcelain conveniences..., the grimy places, and pretty much everything else that needs cleaning.

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    I always clean my floors with antifreeze, don't you?
    (vinegar,warm water,borax and an old fashion mop at our house) My asthma does not like all these new fangled (I am 40) modern day cleaning products. I think they are all not very good. I try and stick to the ol stand by's. Vinegar is wonderful. And cheap!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brandi View Post
    I always clean my floors with antifreeze, don't you?
    I absolutely know you are being facetious here, but this is what people will glean from these so called "email warnings".People pass these around with good intentions of warning others, not really understanding the science of what's behind the warning, or how much truth (or not) is in them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by malkin View Post
    This malkin loves the steamer to clean the floors, the tile,
    I've thought about steam cleaners, but I'm not sure what they'd be like in actual use. Does the cleaner loosen dirt (or soap scum or whatever), and then you wipe it with a cloth or mop?

    BTW, I use Nature Clean products. They aren't easy to find in the US but they work really well and are supposedly as non-toxic as possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PamNY View Post
    I've thought about steam cleaners, but I'm not sure what they'd be like in actual use. Does the cleaner loosen dirt (or soap scum or whatever), and then you wipe it with a cloth or mop?

    BTW, I use Nature Clean products. They aren't easy to find in the US but the work really well and are supposedly as non-toxic as possible.

    Pam

    I've been using a steam mop for about a year now.

    When I first got it, I was hoping the steam would dry the floor as it went, but it basically is just like mopping - only you end up mopping around dirt all over (instead of rinsing out the mop head). So it's best if you have 2 or three of those cloths.

    I'm not crazy about it, but it IS easier than the conventional mopping, and it DOES take dried up mud or food off the floor. But I would also caution not to use it too much on wood floor as I've read the heat and water sometimes warps it. If you have a lot of tile, it'll be great. And if you live somewhere warm, even greater because then the water will dry quicker.

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    I definitely would not use the steam cleaner on wood (or cork, or bamboo), but it's wonderful on tile, and also on the stovetop and oven. I wouldn't have thought it possible to clean an oven without lye or worse, but it takes the crud right off. For me, unless there's an extreme amount of dirt, a single wipe after steaming is enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OakLeaf View Post
    I definitely would not use the steam cleaner on wood (or cork, or bamboo), but it's wonderful on tile, and also on the stovetop and oven.
    Oh, it does stovetop? How wonderful. That and bathroom use would justify the purchase even if I can't use it on my laminate floors. Does anybody use steam for windows? I read a description on Amazon of a steamer with a window squeegee attachment.

    Pam

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    Last night while watching TV, I saw an add for "Swiffer" (didn't know what it was before). Watching the ad I thought, hmmm, that looks kinda cool (I'm a marketer's dream).

    Then I realized I saw a TE thread about it and here I am reading about whether I want to buy it or not.

    Scary - TE is becoming the Wikipedia of my daily life.
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    Don't forget that the individual ingredients most likely do not maintain their individual properties when mixed together. Mixing them together produces a chemical reaction (constantly going - usually two-way reactions), so the amount put into the mixture is most likely not the amount of solution actually present in the mixture. Of course, I don't know how they measure the contents of cleaning products (chemical analysis versus recipe). Chemistry is fascinating.

    Water is a good example. A glass of H2O isn't pure H20 (minus the minerals). It is actually H2O with trace amounts of HO, and H30+, yet you don't see "hydronium ions" and "hydroxide ions" on the ingredients label in a bottle of water.

 

 

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