yeaaa!

[Possegal]

If you can ride the saddle your bike came with YOU ARE REALLY FORTUNATE!!

but what if i just don't KNOW that it could be better. you all make me think i should go out and try 100 saddles. i know i know nothing about bikes, but i have to believe i would know if my butt didn't like my saddle, no?

[sgtiger]

I'm with those that don't see why we as adults cannot have adult conversions be they potentially divisive (and we have proved that almost anything can be controversial - quick, favorite ice cream flavor: chocolate, vanilla, or other) or not. I think we need to keep in mind that one person's proclamation of her (or his) view is not an attack on another who has an opposing view. They are just very passionate about their views and I, for one, can respect that whether I agree with them or not. I have come to value these open discussions because I have learned a great deal through them. I consider myself a pretty open-minded person who tries to see an issue from many possible angles but my fellow TE'ers have opened my eyes to a few possibilities that I had not even considered. Thank-you. Yes, I've even changed my mine on a couple of things as a result of it. But even if I have kept my original views, I been made more aware and sensitive to the reasoning behind those that oppose mine.

For the citizens of the U.S.A., whether or not you voted for our president elect, let us not forget that our civic duty goes beyond the voting booth. There is more that we can do to be involved in our democratic process, so that everyone's voice can be heard. If you don't like a policy, speak out against it - write your local leaders, become involved in civic groups, start an petition/initiative, run for a political office, etc.

For the community at large, this election and financial crisis has proved that we are truly a global community. We cannot forget that as one person's actions can affect others, one nation's actions can also affect the world at large. Even though not every person on this planet could have voted in this election, it does not mean that your opinions are not valid. I take them into consideration because they serve as a check on how our nation is doing.

Long live TE! You all rock!

Soo Son

[jobob]

And sorry Jobob, I don't mean to make this a personal attack. I guess the 72-point extra bold font kind of set me off. And I stayed up too late last night and am feeling cranky.

No worries, Liza, I've been pretty cranky myself (*snort* ya think??? ). I've been watching way too many political news shows in the last few weeks. I'm so glad the election is over, I think I was was developing an ulcer.

Sooo, would you prefer Chunky Monkey, Chocolate Chip Cookie Dough, New York SuperFudge Chunk, or other?

[Cataboo]

but what if i just don't KNOW that it could be better. you all make me think i should go out and try 100 saddles. i know i know nothing about bikes, but i have to believe i would know if my butt didn't like my saddle, no?

You may suffer from a lack of innervation of your butt - and your butt could not like the saddle and you just don't realize.

However, I've noticed that when my bottom is not pleased with a saddle, it's very vocal about it.

[sgtiger]

[QUOTE=Aggie_Ama;377897...I am pretty sure if you are born on a US Base you are natural born. I don't know.
[/QUOTE]

Yes, correct. Also, I do believe one can be a natural born citizen if one is born overseas as long as at least one of the parents is a U.S. citizen. I vaguely remember there having to be paper work filled our for the child within a certain time frame though - age five maybe. It's been a long time since I've studied such matters, so my memory is a bit fuzzy.

sg "not a natural born citizen but proudly naturalized in Nov '95" tiger

[BleeckerSt_Girl]

I hope everyone realizes that I was absolutely joking and I am not intimidated by, nor do I resent, the people who express their affection for steel, Brooks and wool. I even think it's a nice aesthetic......
...I'm quite happy that other people have found bikes and saddles and clothing that makes them happy, even if it is not what makes me happy.

Understood.

[Possegal]

Yes, correct. I do believe one can be a natural born citizen if one is born overseas as long as at least one of the parents is a U.S. citizen. I vaguely remember there having to be paper work filled our for the child within a certain time frame though - age five maybe. It's been a long time since I've studied such matters, so my memory is a bit fuzzy.

sg "not a natural born citizen but proudly naturalized in Nov '95" tiger

if born out of the country to at least one parent of US citizenship, you are a US citizen, no matter when you do the paperwork. two of the 6 kids in my family were born elsewhere and while it was a HUGE hassle to get the US passports when they did that as adults, they were still US citizens. but yeah, way easier if you just file the right paperwork at the time. my poor brother was having to get paperwork and info from so long ago that very few folks could even remember. when did the rents move back to the US? (only dad would remember and he was dead). my poor brother, all that work for the passport and he's yet to use it!

i am betting when US military are abroad and have a kid, the military is more helpful with them about getting the right paperwork. my sibs were born to a US citizen dad serving in another country's military - so no one mentioned that to my dad.

possegal, natural born US citizen but with a really messed up family

[crazycanuck]

I'm not surprised at some of the comments here

One day Americans might actually get along. One day the whole world.
Be happy that you're able to vote. Would you like to live in Zimbabwe?
Just remember don't believe everything you read or hear, keep an open brain & it won't fall out.

In the meantime, i'll just go and swear at the headwinds, rocks on my uphill mtn bike rides and people with dogs not on lead..

[Irulan]

No, it does not matter to me what Obama's religious beliefs are. What matters is the repetition of falsehoods when there are people who do care.

Is this the same attitude you use in your work?

to repeat:
What matters is the repetition of falsehoods

[emily_in_nc]

I'm late to this thread as (I confess) I've been too busy checking news and political sites and watching MSNBC in the past week to even read TE (blasphemy, I know!!!!)

I just wanted to say that I noticed as I watched footage of many celebrations all over the country for Obama that what struck me the most is that there was NO VIOLENCE. People were partying together, laughing, crying, and cheering, and they were UNITED -- people of every color. Call me an idealist, but I found that really, really beautiful. Even though I am white, I felt so happy for African-Americans as I could imagine how sweet this night was for them. If I were elated, how must they feel?

Over the course of this campaign, I have been so incredibly encouraged to see how Obama has motivated and inspired people to volunteer, to vote, to get involved. I personally have never cared more about any election than this one, and when the announced Obama as the President-Elect last night at 11pm EST, I wept. I have more hope for this country than I have ever had, even in this time of economic difficulties.

All that said, I thought that McCain's concession speech was sincere and eloquent, and I appreciate it very much.

Hopefully as a nation those who didn't "win" will heal. I think, ultimately, we all won with this historic choice. Wait and see. YES WE CAN!

-Emily

P.S. Susan, thanks for allowing this thread to continue.

[crazycanuck]

One more thing..This is one of those events I thought I'd never see in my lifetime.

For example, I never thought i'd see Nelson Mandela freed nor the end of Aparthied. The Berlin Wall. Rwanda.

It's (i'll try and insert as many adjectives!) interesting, overwhelming, cool, amazing, inspiring, awesome, frightening & a whole bunch of more adjectives I can't describe really.

Soo-I love your comment

For the community at large, this election and financial crisis has proved that we are truly a global community. We cannot forget that as one person's actions can affect others, one nation's actions can also affect the world at large. Even though not every person on this planet could have voted in this election, it does not mean that your opinions are not valid. I take them into consideration because they serve as a check on how our nation is doing.

[Crankin]

I was surprised to see this thread still here...

I hated the Brooks saddle.

I love my Shak, but most of the other Ibex I've tried is itchy!

I have a carbon AND a steel bike.

I would never ride with my I Pod and I yell at people who don't wear helmets.

[7rider]

Sooo, would you prefer Chunky Monkey, Chocolate Chip Cookie Dough, New York SuperFudge Chunk, or other?

Mint chocolate chip, thank you.

I never put my be-hind on a Brooks saddle.

And steel may be real, but ti is fly!

[Aggie_Ama]

i am betting when US military are abroad and have a kid, the military is more helpful with them about getting the right paperwork. my sibs were born to a US citizen dad serving in another country's military - so no one mentioned that to my dad.

possegal, natural born US citizen but with a really messed up family

Oh good thing I still live in the neighboring county to where I was born. Took me 15 minutes to get my husband's birth certificate from the same county.

[Trek420]

I just can't let this be. So sorry, but what the &^#*# does a &^%$# pin have to do with anything?

I'm outta here.

wait, wait, hope you don't leave