yeaaa!

[SadieKate]

I also know many peaceful muslim people and I believe that the President is one of them. He brings many firsts to this country . . .

Being Muslim is NOT one of them. Please check your facts, especially if you participate in law enforcement.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp

snopes.com is a highly respected organization and should be a credible source. If you need more, just try google.

[kermit]

Does it matter?

[SadieKate]

Does it matter?

No, it does not matter to me what Obama's religious beliefs are. What matters is the repetition of falsehoods when there are people who do care.

Is this the same attitude you use in your work?

[kermit]

When a man is born in another country and his upbringing is broadcast with several variations you take everything with a grain of salt. I believe the unbelievable. Lets just see what he does now that he got the job. And as far as my work attitude, I'm the one out protecting you.

[Cataboo]

Is Hawaii another country?

[kermit]

Raised, my error.

[SadieKate]

Raised, my error.

Yeah, we should look closely at McCain since as a child he lived outside the US as his father's position required.

[SadieKate]

When a man is born in another country . . .

Since when is Hawaii another country?

I'll repeat the link and provide another.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2...n_the_usa.html

[Aggie_Ama]

Obama was born in Hawaii, I thought it was part of USA? McCain was born in Panama but I am pretty sure if you are born on a US Base you are natural born. I don't know.

My Mammaw was born in Arizona before it was a state, we had a lively discussion about whether she was indeed American. Then my mom remembered her parents were born in Texas in 1896 and 1900, they were citizens of the USA and so was Mammaw by lineage.

ETA-Oh no my mom was wrong, Mammaw was born in January 19, 1918 but Arizona was a state as of February 14, 1912. Whew, she is an American through and through. She can run for president!

[sgtiger]

I'm with those that don't see why we as adults cannot have adult conversions be they potentially divisive (and we have proved that almost anything can be controversial - quick, favorite ice cream flavor: chocolate, vanilla, or other) or not. I think we need to keep in mind that one person's proclamation of her (or his) view is not an attack on another who has an opposing view. They are just very passionate about their views and I, for one, can respect that whether I agree with them or not. I have come to value these open discussions because I have learned a great deal through them. I consider myself a pretty open-minded person who tries to see an issue from many possible angles but my fellow TE'ers have opened my eyes to a few possibilities that I had not even considered. Thank-you. Yes, I've even changed my mine on a couple of things as a result of it. But even if I have kept my original views, I been made more aware and sensitive to the reasoning behind those that oppose mine.

For the citizens of the U.S.A., whether or not you voted for our president elect, let us not forget that our civic duty goes beyond the voting booth. There is more that we can do to be involved in our democratic process, so that everyone's voice can be heard. If you don't like a policy, speak out against it - write your local leaders, become involved in civic groups, start an petition/initiative, run for a political office, etc.

For the community at large, this election and financial crisis has proved that we are truly a global community. We cannot forget that as one person's actions can affect others, one nation's actions can also affect the world at large. Even though not every person on this planet could have voted in this election, it does not mean that your opinions are not valid. I take them into consideration because they serve as a check on how our nation is doing.

Long live TE! You all rock!

Soo Son

[sgtiger]

[QUOTE=Aggie_Ama;377897...I am pretty sure if you are born on a US Base you are natural born. I don't know.
[/QUOTE]

Yes, correct. Also, I do believe one can be a natural born citizen if one is born overseas as long as at least one of the parents is a U.S. citizen. I vaguely remember there having to be paper work filled our for the child within a certain time frame though - age five maybe. It's been a long time since I've studied such matters, so my memory is a bit fuzzy.

sg "not a natural born citizen but proudly naturalized in Nov '95" tiger

[Possegal]

Yes, correct. I do believe one can be a natural born citizen if one is born overseas as long as at least one of the parents is a U.S. citizen. I vaguely remember there having to be paper work filled our for the child within a certain time frame though - age five maybe. It's been a long time since I've studied such matters, so my memory is a bit fuzzy.

sg "not a natural born citizen but proudly naturalized in Nov '95" tiger

if born out of the country to at least one parent of US citizenship, you are a US citizen, no matter when you do the paperwork. two of the 6 kids in my family were born elsewhere and while it was a HUGE hassle to get the US passports when they did that as adults, they were still US citizens. but yeah, way easier if you just file the right paperwork at the time. my poor brother was having to get paperwork and info from so long ago that very few folks could even remember. when did the rents move back to the US? (only dad would remember and he was dead). my poor brother, all that work for the passport and he's yet to use it!

i am betting when US military are abroad and have a kid, the military is more helpful with them about getting the right paperwork. my sibs were born to a US citizen dad serving in another country's military - so no one mentioned that to my dad.

possegal, natural born US citizen but with a really messed up family

[crazycanuck]

I'm not surprised at some of the comments here

One day Americans might actually get along. One day the whole world.
Be happy that you're able to vote. Would you like to live in Zimbabwe?
Just remember don't believe everything you read or hear, keep an open brain & it won't fall out.

In the meantime, i'll just go and swear at the headwinds, rocks on my uphill mtn bike rides and people with dogs not on lead..

[Aggie_Ama]

i am betting when US military are abroad and have a kid, the military is more helpful with them about getting the right paperwork. my sibs were born to a US citizen dad serving in another country's military - so no one mentioned that to my dad.

possegal, natural born US citizen but with a really messed up family

Oh good thing I still live in the neighboring county to where I was born. Took me 15 minutes to get my husband's birth certificate from the same county.

[Irulan]

No, it does not matter to me what Obama's religious beliefs are. What matters is the repetition of falsehoods when there are people who do care.

Is this the same attitude you use in your work?

to repeat:
What matters is the repetition of falsehoods