Thanks spoke, that makes sense. I'm just pondering what I'd want as an ideal second bike to my roadie. My crazy bouldering days are behind me (tho when I did that, it was on a Jamis unsuspended what would now be called hybrid which nearly broke arms a few times I'm sure). I don't like being confined to pavement though and I'd probably use the second on my commute which is all of 6 miles round trip, but does need to get jammed on and off the train. I've taken my road bike before, but I feel like it's more delicate and could get damaged if I can't carry it precisely up the narrow stairs. As for the height issues, I have much more reach issues- I'd probably do best with WSD but have always had mens/unisex bikes and just had my seat really high. Good food for thought tho- I've been perusing craigslist and the sales since people seem to be offloading right now.