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Well I ended up buying the Sugoi shorts, I've worn them twice now. The chamois is really quite good, but today I started wondering whether these are see-thru... I'll have to ask one of my buddies. I'm pretty sure they are the right size for me but they feel like the fabric is stretched to it's max across the back. Regarding the cut, styling & fabric, for my shape, I don't think any shorts will beat the Assos, but I really don't like their chamois at all, it's OK for 30kms or so, but it's too bulky, it's actually really uncomfortable on longer rides. The Assos shorts with the Sugoi chamois in them would be a great.