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2) It is true that most small frames don't fit women properly, but they also don't fit men properly (which is no surprise when you consider issue #1). The problem is that the smaller frames don't really get that much smaller with most manufacturers, both because they don't know how to handle issues like toe overlap and because they don't really understand the correlation between effective toptube length and seattube angle (as unbelievable as it sounds that bike companies sometimes don't understand bike geometry, it's really true).
I agree with most of Cervelo's philosophy (because I can fit just fine on men's frames, and I felt horrible on WSD frames), BUT I just wanted to say that I find it extremely ironic that the worst case of toe overlap I've ever seen is with my friend who rides a tiny Cervelo. Just sayin'...