I'm not sure why the cycling community is so difficult sometimes...

We have a great club here, they have a huge variety of rides that stay under 14, plus lots of rides in the 15-18 range. There are however, no rides that go faster. I finally tracked down a unaffiliated group that rides on Saturdays, but if the LBS owner didn't introduce me around I would have been completely ignored. It's a hammer till I puke, elbow bumping, no one even looks over their shoulder when I drop kinda ride, but it's the best training for racing there is.

When a few of the guys from the faster group show up to a regular club ride, everyone else grumbles about them showing up. I think it's great, because then there are A, B, and C pace groups, instead of just C/B.

No club is perfect...in fact most have problems. It's sad that cycling is so hard to get into, it seems it's all about who you know in a lot of ways.