Thank you ladies for those wonderful replies! It took me a bit to get back to the thread as I was out doing some more whooping, and "oh NO-ing". This ride with the super skilled guy buddy did not go so great. But, I will try again. It is funny, as I was fallen way behind talking to myself and nature's creatures, my pal called back and said "What???"... "oh, nothing", I said, "I'm just having a chat with a woodsy critter".