I should have listened to Liza! I hesitated to try the Arione, because it didn't LOOK like what I thought I needed. And, I sat on DH's (when he took it off his bike after about a week). I thought it was too narrow in back and too pear shaped. Suspected it would have to be surgically removed if I tried it.

Well, my new bike came with one. I thought I'd give it a shot before putting the Vitesse HP on. I must say, it seems to be at least as good, in different ways. Except for today, my sit bones have been quite pleased (I was beginning to wonder about the Vitesse). My soft tissue, not perfect, but not as bad as on most. The pear shape may be okay because of the wing flex thing - I'm not sure, but I'm not getting the usual chafing. I'm going to continue to try the Arione. 170 miles so far. Keeping the Vitesse close, though!