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    Yep, let's calm down. This is not about religion, race or country of origin etc. And I don't see what anyones religion has to do with democracy

    There have been Muslims in America for a looooooong time, paying taxes, building companies and in public service. We're a diverse country .... and discussion group
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    And as for ruining democracy ... what's functionally left of the Bill of Rights nowadays anyway? According to my "disappearing civil liberties mug" (http://www.uncommongoods.com/item/item.jsp?itemId=13857) the NRA has managed to keep the 2nd amendment intact, and the 3rd still holds (no billetting of soldiers within the US). Property expropriation still requires compensation, and I haven't seen any cases of double indemnity yet. But the rest pretty much went down the drain in the "Patriot" Act. It may be like in the Middle Ages, that we have to count on the Muslims to archive all our old scientific and political knowledge until we lighten up enough to ask for it back.
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    I do have concerns that other countries - having nothing to do with their religion - might already have economic roots. Yes, the foreigners getting the big beer company says something.
    This means there might be even tougher times, tyrannies, nuclear war... I'm going to do my darndest regardless to keep my morals from being swallowed by my fear or anybody else's.
    We have nothing to fear but fear itself. Fear drives people to be willing to support horrible things like wars and terrorism... and finding a way to categorize other peoples as something threatening and evil to justify the harm done to them.
    Einstein said "Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind." Or something like that. Boy, do I wish there were a vaccine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geonz View Post
    I do have concerns that other countries - having nothing to do with their religion - might already have economic roots. Yes, the foreigners getting the big beer company says something.
    The United States has had pretty deep "economic roots" in most if not all countries of the world since the Second World War. That has not necessarily meant tyranny for all the countries involved, although it has meant that for some. Americans (well, especially the richest of Americans) have reaped the benefits of a globalized economy for a while. Unfortunately, I am afraid that it is not the richest Americans who will pay the price when it is realized that globalization is not a one-way street...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geonz View Post
    Einstein said "Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind." Or something like that...
    I thought measles were the measles of mankind
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