should she compete?

[bicyclulz]

http://www.cbc.ca/olympics/story/200...tenworley.html


DISCUSS.

[kenshinvt]

[denda]

No!!

[Pax]

I'm not familiar enough with the science/biology of a trans person to comment but if someone else is I have a question; does an individual who has transitioned MtF retain the muscle mass they had before the transition?

[Nansel]

This issue has come up before in Canada:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelle_Dumaresq

I would be very surprised if the Olympics were convinced into allowing transgendered people to compete.

[singletrackmind]

Sounds like she didn't make the requisite and if that's what everyone who qualifies has to do then that's that.

Otherwise, if she's the same as any other woman performance wise-and while we've had this same discussion awhile back I'm not familiar with the mechanics of transgenderizing- then why shouldn't she?

[bicyclulz]

Seriously, this is just like the issue surrounding athletes with prosthetics who wanted to compete in the Olympics. In this case, rather then it being a technological advantage, it's a biological advantage. "Kristen" lived as a male for 20+ years before undergoing surgery. "She" was even married.

irregardless---"SHE" did NOT compete in any of the qualifying races. sorry, but just on that alone she should not be allowed an advantage or sympathy vote just because "she" went and had surgery to become a woman.

If there really is an issue, there should be another organization or event set up to accommodate those who fall into this gray area.

[Pax]

Seriously, this is just like the issue surrounding athletes with prosthetics who wanted to compete in the Olympics. In this case, rather then it being a technological advantage, it's a biological advantage. "Kristen" lived as a male for 20+ years before undergoing surgery. "She" was even married.

irregardless---"SHE" did NOT compete in any of the qualifying races. sorry, but just on that alone she should not be allowed an advantage or sympathy vote just because "she" went and had surgery to become a woman.

If there really is an issue, there should be another organization or event set up to accommodate those who fall into this gray area.

Note: sister (or Brother??) thread - http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...=1#post6862553

Can you site a source that explains the biological advantage?

[singletrackmind]

Ah, this is what I was remembering...

http://forums.teamestrogen.com/showt...ht=transgender

[kenshinvt]

Can you site a source that explains the biological advantage?

You need a source to show that men and women have different physical makeups?

The burden rests with proving there is no difference.

[Pax]

You need a source to show that men and women have different physical makeups?

The burden rests with proving there is no difference.

I asked for a source to learn and become a more educated person on the subject. Why the hostile response?

[bicyclulz]

Can you site a source that explains the biological advantage?

Just in case you want reading material: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/en...&dopt=Citation

It's just something that cannot be denied....

[kenshinvt]

I asked for a source to learn and become a more educated person on the subject. Why the hostile response?

Sorry, I just misread you as being sarcastic in your original post when you asked for a citation on something that is common sense. If there was no biological advantage/difference between the sexes, we wouldn't have gender-separated competitive sports to begin with.

[Pax]

Just in case you want reading material: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/en...&dopt=Citation

It's just something that cannot be denied....

That was pretty technical but I couldn't see where it talked about transgendered folks?

[ilima]

My guess would be Yes, to some degree. I read something recently that folks that use steroids to increase muscle mass above what they'd normally have/build retain extra muscle long after the steroids have been used. In my mind, that should mean a person that is busted for using steroids should get a lifetime ban.

My gut says Kristen Worley is substantially different than a woman that's had a hysterectomy, as far as competitive advantage.

I'm not familiar enough with the science/biology of a trans person to comment but if someone else is I have a question; does an individual who has transitioned MtF retain the muscle mass they had before the transition?