should she compete?

[Pax]

I'm not familiar enough with the science/biology of a trans person to comment but if someone else is I have a question; does an individual who has transitioned MtF retain the muscle mass they had before the transition?

[Nansel]

This issue has come up before in Canada:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelle_Dumaresq

I would be very surprised if the Olympics were convinced into allowing transgendered people to compete.

[bicyclulz]

Seriously, this is just like the issue surrounding athletes with prosthetics who wanted to compete in the Olympics. In this case, rather then it being a technological advantage, it's a biological advantage. "Kristen" lived as a male for 20+ years before undergoing surgery. "She" was even married.

irregardless---"SHE" did NOT compete in any of the qualifying races. sorry, but just on that alone she should not be allowed an advantage or sympathy vote just because "she" went and had surgery to become a woman.

If there really is an issue, there should be another organization or event set up to accommodate those who fall into this gray area.

[Pax]

Seriously, this is just like the issue surrounding athletes with prosthetics who wanted to compete in the Olympics. In this case, rather then it being a technological advantage, it's a biological advantage. "Kristen" lived as a male for 20+ years before undergoing surgery. "She" was even married.

irregardless---"SHE" did NOT compete in any of the qualifying races. sorry, but just on that alone she should not be allowed an advantage or sympathy vote just because "she" went and had surgery to become a woman.

If there really is an issue, there should be another organization or event set up to accommodate those who fall into this gray area.

Note: sister (or Brother??) thread - http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...=1#post6862553

Can you site a source that explains the biological advantage?

[kenshinvt]

Can you site a source that explains the biological advantage?

You need a source to show that men and women have different physical makeups?

The burden rests with proving there is no difference.

[Pax]

You need a source to show that men and women have different physical makeups?

The burden rests with proving there is no difference.

I asked for a source to learn and become a more educated person on the subject. Why the hostile response?

[kenshinvt]

I asked for a source to learn and become a more educated person on the subject. Why the hostile response?

Sorry, I just misread you as being sarcastic in your original post when you asked for a citation on something that is common sense. If there was no biological advantage/difference between the sexes, we wouldn't have gender-separated competitive sports to begin with.

[bicyclulz]

Can you site a source that explains the biological advantage?

Just in case you want reading material: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/en...&dopt=Citation

It's just something that cannot be denied....

[Pax]

Just in case you want reading material: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/en...&dopt=Citation

It's just something that cannot be denied....

That was pretty technical but I couldn't see where it talked about transgendered folks?

[Andrea]

Because of the lack of testosterone, she won't have a biological advantage. In fact, females with complete sex organs will actually produce small amounts of testosterone, which, hypothetically, could give them a biological advantage over a transgender or hysterectomized female.

However, if you don't complete the qualifying races, it's a moot point.

[Beane]

Because of the lack of testosterone, she won't have a biological advantage. In fact, females with complete sex organs will actually produce small amounts of testosterone, which, hypothetically, could give them a biological advantage over a transgender or hysterectomized female.

However, if you don't complete the qualifying races, it's a moot point.

+1..

[smilingcat]

However, if you don't complete the qualifying races, it's a moot point.

+1. THE POINT IS MOOT. SHE DIDN'T RACE IN THE QUALIFIERS. Wanna go to the inviational, you have to qualify first. My sister missed the Boston Marathon by two minutes in her qualifiers. two years in a row. Bummed yes but she's not making a stink over it. This season because of 20+MPH headwind on the back stretch.

Far as transgender person goes, if they say I'm a woman by cross dressing for only a week or two, I have a big problem. If they say I'm a woman and had the surgery, would it change the persons athletic ability?? muscle mass with testosterone. shape of our bones, women versus men's pelvic bone, arm length, leg length, VO2 capacity. From what I read, it sounds like they would have more of disadvantage then regular women. As long as there are no advantages, I say bring them on. Go ahead. Just move up in the rank like everyone else.

Just read spazzdogs' gender and pro cycling thread. And the canadian girl's photo. If the racers had no problem as an amatuer then why the problem as a pro?

And the photo of Tammy Thomas. Why would she do this to herself? Why is she so desperate for a win so much so that she would resort to this. She needs psychiatric help. It's a sport and you don't make much money. WHY?? I could sort of see if you were going to make so much money that you become independently wealthy (not having to make a living).

smilingcat

[ilima]

My guess would be Yes, to some degree. I read something recently that folks that use steroids to increase muscle mass above what they'd normally have/build retain extra muscle long after the steroids have been used. In my mind, that should mean a person that is busted for using steroids should get a lifetime ban.

My gut says Kristen Worley is substantially different than a woman that's had a hysterectomy, as far as competitive advantage.

I'm not familiar enough with the science/biology of a trans person to comment but if someone else is I have a question; does an individual who has transitioned MtF retain the muscle mass they had before the transition?