Karen, thanks for the tip. Unfortunately I've move the seat forward, and now we tried tilting. First saddle problem was pressure on sit bones. Now we've fixed that with new saddle - it's a separating and pressure on the nose end of the saddle. I'm trying a fizik that is flat and simple. I'll take it out tomorrow. I'm also making a call to a recommended LBS for a pro fit.

I agree - no tears of pain. I think I just melted down because it's not getting better...and there is heat to get use to in addition. I needed a pity party and it started without me even realizing it. Hubby handled it great. Once he realized it was happening. I'm not usually like that! We pulled off and rested for about 20 minutes. Let everything cool off and stop hurting a bit.

F8th - I will try moving the cleats back. The new shoes have a LOT of room for movement. I wondered if I could, or if it would cause problems.

thanks for the support! I have hope that it will improve. I just have to keep working at it and not give up.