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  1. #1
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    Think about the elderly, the infirm, children with a new puppy. There are all kinds of variations on dog+owner. Not everyone has the time, inclination or ability to train their dog as you would. A leash protects us all.

    I'm not saying that every dog should never be off leash ever. I just think most people who think they have ultimate control over their dog off-leash have just not been in the right circumstances to be proven wrong, yet.

    THANK YOU for being a responsible dog owner. There are varying degrees of what that means. There's room for everyone, and there are plenty of places where it's legal for your dog to be off-leash. If it's illegal, put the leash on.

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    I'd like to say a big thanks to Rij73 - she is my definition of a responsible dog owner. Sometimes its not just about how well behaved the dog is - its about the other people who are potentially around you. While it may be perfectly safe to walk your perfectly trained, unleashed dog down the path I ride to work - *I don't know that*. I don't know the person or their unleashed dog, I don't know if the dog is prone to chase or bite, I don't know if the dog is prone to jump and beyond any of that, the dog could easliy just accidentally walk out in front of me or appear suddenly around a corner. It's disrespectful to others to not leash your dogs in areas that it is required - and dare I say, even areas that are highly public, even if it is not required. So give us all peace of mind and please leash your dogs, even the perfect ones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eden View Post
    I'd like to say a big thanks to Rij73 - she is my definition of a responsible dog owner. Sometimes its not just about how well behaved the dog is - its about the other people who are potentially around you. While it may be perfectly safe to walk your perfectly trained, unleashed dog down the path I ride to work - *I don't know that*. I don't know the person or their unleashed dog, I don't know if the dog is prone to chase or bite, I don't know if the dog is prone to jump and beyond any of that, the dog could easliy just accidentally walk out in front of me or appear suddenly around a corner. It's disrespectful to others to not leash your dogs in areas that it is required - and dare I say, even areas that are highly public, even if it is not required. So give us all peace of mind and please leash your dogs, even the perfect ones.
    +1

    I feel the same way about "invisible fences." When I ride by and the dog charges the property line, I don't know the fence is there, or if I do, I don't know the dog's pain threshold or how badly s/he wants to chase me.

    Never mind the other very valid criticisms of "invisible fences" of course.
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    Well, Simon has been walking around all smug and full of himself recently, and now, after reading this thread and the compliments from his TE friends, I can see why!

    Simon's very well behaved on a leash, heels well, and sits instantly when commanded, but if a dog were to come charging up off leash, or on a long leash, and he's decided that dog is a threat, the consequences could be serious for everyone involved. I'm pretty sure I could break it up before anyone gets hurt, but I don't want that kind of risk or upset. So he gets his long walks very late at night when no one else is around.

    I'd love to take him for walks in the many trails around here that allow dogs on leashes, but every time I've been on one of them (without him), I see several people with their dogs off leash, or not under adequate control.

    I think it is a very small percentage of owners who truly have total control (voice and otherwise) over their own dogs, in any situation. And even if those owners have total control over their dog, they certainly won't have it over anyone else's dog, on or off leash. This, to me, is the justification for a leash law. In urban/sub-urban areas, I think all of us should should have our dogs on leash, because it is a prudent and courteous way to protect our pets, other people, and their pets.
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    One other small thought. Nala has gotten up there in years, is pretty deaf, and going blind. She still walks pretty spry, and well, our neighborhood is flat, so on a brisk walk, she really doesn't show her age. I digress. I'm having problems with the communication part, calling her when she's off leash (like in the yard). I've been working with hand signals, but she has to be LOOKING at me. Doesn't do much good to do a hand signal to her behind. So I try to stay viligant that she's on her leash, and I'm attached to the other end when we're out of the yard.
    Beth

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    Wow - Beth - sorry about the attack on Nala!

    I have to say there may be circumstances, for example if you are on back trails in bear country, where I suspect roadie gal is, where maybe it is safer to have your dog off leash. I don't know. I try to stay away from bears. Every situation is different. But I have to say if you're around other people and dogs at all, it has to be safer for everyone - not the least of which being the dog to use a leash.

    I spent a lot of time and money training my rottweiler, because I knew she'd end up stronger than me, even on a leash. That was money and time well spent. Russo came to us fully trained, so we were lucky there. But kudos to all of you who have spent the time and money to train your dogs.
    Sarah

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    Maillotpois, I hope you're feeling better. What a scary experience to have to go through.

    I never let Chloe (Chow Chow/GSD mix/and, I'm convinced, a touch of 'fraidy cat) off her leash. She can be reactive toward dogs who bark/lunge at her. She is unpredictable around cyclists, skateboarders & scooters (which my neighborhood seems to have boatloads of). If we see someone on one of these while on our walks, I pull her aside, as far as possible, until they pass. Sometimes she's uninterested other times a bit too interested. She's getting better with voice commands but not enough that I trust her off leash, especially with other distractions around (squirrels, cats, etc. Her best bud is a cat who lives in our building so she thinks every cat wants to play with her like Jethro does.) The street we live on is very busy traffic-wise and I don't want her darting out in front of a car. She doesn't have a history of biting but I don't want someone or some animal to become the first.

    I'm not sure how much training, if any, Chloe got with her original owner. I do know that she had regular training for the short time she was at the rescue but we're still working on behaviors that need improvement. She's better than she was 10 months ago when I adopted her but I need to be mindful that not everyone views her as I do, a lovable slug, and what they see is a Chow (a dog with a dangerous rep to begin with) who may or may not harm them.
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    While it may be perfectly safe to walk your perfectly trained, unleashed dog down the path I ride to work - *I don't know that*. I don't know the person or their unleashed dog, I don't know if the dog is prone to chase or bite, I don't know if the dog is prone to jump and beyond any of that, the dog could easliy just accidentally walk out in front of me or appear suddenly around a corner.
    +1 to Eden!

    i know some people have great control of their dogs, but as i'm approaching on my bicycle i dont know you, i dont know your dog, i dont know what its going to do.

    so unless i see cesar millan with 'daddy' and a camera crew i am going to be afraid of your dog.

    so while i have issues about dogs, i'm sure, i think dog owners have responsibilities to control their beasts, uh i mean pooches, and courtesy to keep them leashed so i can be assured they're controlled.
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