Saddle Sores - Sorry maybe TMI

[cmac77354]

Thanks for all the replies. This past weekend I didn't have the problem. I really lubed up with Chamois But'r and it seemed to work.

[koala]

Wow, that sounds really awful. A couple of things jump out. One is your shorts. Tri shorts tend to have a really thin chamois, and PI's tend to have a really stiff chamois. My guess is neither one is helping in your situation, but they can make matters worse. Second thing is that you sound like you're pretty active on your saddle when you ride, you move around a fair amount. So you end up rubbing the front area more, and irritating it more, a vicious cycle. I would suggest less is more up front for you. Your cut-out looks small. There is better out there. Check out the Selle SMP line for h-u-g-e cut-outs. If there's nothing there at all, it can't irritate. Also, Selle San Marco makes something called an Aero Saddle. It has a big cut-out in a diamond shape that might just give your bruised parts clearance. Be sure it is the Aero, and not some other models that use the "arrowhead" cut-out as there is a difference in the front end.

I don't think you gain anything by going to the Butterfly. It is a soft saddle, and if you push on the cut-out you'll see it has a tendency to fold in under pressure & pinch in front. You'd probably be better off with something firmer that has as big a hole as possible but will still keep its shape if you shift around on it.

[newridder]

i, too, have problems like seeker. i got the bike to lose weight but that area is terribly painful when ridding. t have tried diff saddles; was fitted on bike- had the problem then. fitter used butt measurer. had another fitter in diff state take look. he tilted saddle back-- helped a little. tried the wonder seat but could not stay on bike when sudden stop. losing interest in biking. thinking of trying diff shorts-- any advice.

[KnottedYet]

Newrider - try doing the self measurements for your sit bones, and the cut-out test. Tell us what you get for those (sitbone span and yes/no cutout). Tell us what saddles you tried and what you liked or didn't like about each.

Someone here has probably dealt with finding a saddle similar to your needs, and will be able to help!

(and how does the saddle you have now feel if you ride in unpadded shorts?)

[Kano]

(and how does the saddle you have now feel if you ride in unpadded shorts?)

This is a good question Knotted!

My little tale kind of asks the reverse: what happens if you do ride in padded shorts? -- on the possibility that newrider hasn't discovered the joys of padding yet!

I'm riding a 143 Specialized Ariel saddle comortably in the right shorts, and the other day, went on a 3.5 mile ride in "street shorts" and standard issue underwear. What the heck, it's only the post office and back, right?

HAH!

My butt, where I sit, is fine. Creases at the groin are still unhappy from the elastic in my undies, which was covered with fabric, and other parts, well, they got the seam of the shorts, and there's still grumbling, days later. (no serious damage, it was only 3.5 miles, after all!)

When I started riding, I didn't want to be out where the world could see me in them, but those lycra shorts we who get bikes to help us with the battle of the butt like to avoid are VITAL to our riding pleasure! Newrider, if you're not wearing padded shorts yet, find some -- and my suggestion is to make sure the pad doesn't have a seam that hits any creases! For a while, you might be happier doing what I did at first: padded shorts with others on top of them. I've seen several people here say they prefer skorts with the padding inside. (yeah, they're expensive, but the money is well-spent!)

Karen in Boise

[newridder]

i used a specialized initially but it was too painful. i am now using a terry butterfly cut out, but the cut out does not seem to be as long as the one shown by another rider. i will try to get measurements tomorrow. i am very new at this and not sure i know how to measure the butt on the saddle. thanks for responding

[newridder]

Kano, thanks i may try the pads on pads. i could not ride without padded shorts. i ride in canari. but a friend told me today about pants that are pricey but well padded. i can't remember the name but the trademark looks like a scorpion. the pants are supposed to keep the body at a certain temperature and are supposedly very well padded. i enjoy riding but when the pain becomes so unbearable i stop riding. i stop shortly after starting and can't seem to become a "rider." i sincerely welcome your thoughts.

[Kano]

Kano, thanks i may try the pads on pads. .

Oh, Newrider, I didn't mean padded shorts on top of padded shorts -- I had regular shorts on top of the padded ones, so no one would see me in lycra!

Some of the problem is a new-to-riding bottom, at least for a while, I think. And if the seat's not right, well...

I haven't decided today if I need to go see my bike guy again about mine or not. After yesterday's ride on what had to be boulder-seal, I'm feeling much like either my saddle position is still wrong, or my saddle is just wrong. On the other hand, my ride Saturday did NOT leave me feeling battered. Or maybe it did, just nowhere near as badly, since the roads were much smoother!

Karen in Boise

[JaneE]

I've been having the same issues as Seeker and have been back and forth to my LBS several times over the past week searching for saddle-nirvana.

DH and I are in the process of gearing up for some touring/camping this summer and as we've gone on longer rides my current saddle's shortcomings have become painfully obvious. Up to two hours on the bike and all was (fairly) well. More than two hours and the squirming, discomfort and constant shifting around would get discouraging. I'm a little freaked out at the possibility of not being able to find a saddle that's comfortable for long days of touring but our favorite bike-tech has repeatedly assured me that the right saddle for me is out there somwhere. I'm going to hold him to his word.

I did sit on their Bontrager "***-o-meter" in the shop so we started with at least that basic information. So far I've tested (and returned) a Specialized Lithia and a basic Dolce. Right now there's a Jett on my road bike and after about 25 miles on it this morning I'm actually feeling a little hopeful. I'm going to scootch it forward another quarter of an inch and test it again but the "up-front" pain I've been having with the other saddles seems to be relieved to a large degree.

I'm fascinated by the Selle SMP Strike. If this Jett doesn't work out that will be one that I'll definitely want to try!

Guess I don't really have much to offer other than support (it's definitely a process...no short-cuts) and commiseration. When I was younger any old saddle seemed to be just fine. Now (a few decades and a few kids later...) things obviously have slipped and slid a little and need more tender support and consideration.

Hang in there!

Jane

[OakLeaf]

i am very new at this and not sure i know how to measure the butt on the saddle. thanks for responding

Search for "butt-o-meter" or "measuring sit bones" and "cut-out test" on this board, it's been discussed a lot, including earlier in this thread.

At the bike shop, Trek and Specialized dealers have a gel-filled pad that you sit on, the gel changes color in response to your body heat and pressure. At home, sit on something that will take the impression of your sit bones (a piece of paper, a yoga mat, or both) on top of a hard, flat surface like a straight chair or an uncarpeted stair. Measure both the center-to-center distance and the outside-to-outside distance between your sit bones.

While you're on the hard, flat surface, bending forward as though you're in riding position (elbows on knees or farther), pay attention to whether the position is squishing your soft tissues. If so, you probably want a saddle with a cut-out.

When you shop for a saddle, look for ones that are somewhat wider than your sit bones - at least 1 cm on either side, to allow for a little wiggle factor and also to account for the curvature of the saddle.

The shorts you're talking about are Castelli. I'd get the saddle sorted first, personally.