workplaceBBQ --without ketchup, relish

[Zen]

Two sample menus from our county school website.
Horrid.

BREAKFAST
Cinnamon or Cream Cheese Bagler;
Chilled Apple Juice; Cold Milk
LUNCH
Baked Scoops Tortilla Taco w/Cheese & Rice (Lettuce),
Fresh Pizzeria Pizza;
Scrumptious Golden Corn;
Choice of Chilled Fruit;
Cold Milk


BREAKFAST
Breakfast Pizza;
Chilled Orange Juice; Cold Milk
LUNCH
Chicken Patty on Bun, Fresh Wheat Pizzeria Pizza,
PB&J Uncrustable;
Crispy Tator Tots;
Choice of Chilled Fruit;

[oxysback]

Relish on good sausage is an abomination.

Relish on ANYTHING is an abomination! (except in tuna...and only if it's dill relish)

[shootingstar]

Just returned from a 50th birthday dinner...am happy to report..that there was no ketchup nor relish. However other decadent food..some sort of grilled chicken rolled with bacon, chips, pop, etc. The birthday boy is a cyclist and so is his wife...but not everyone else at party.

I only like ketchup for fries...fries I have um..5 times annually. Always outside of home. If given a choice of relish or ketchup for a hamburger, I will tend take relish (and hope mustard pot was around). But then I have a hamburger....um..maybe once annually.

Neither he nor I have bought ketchup nor relish for home ..probably over past 15 yrs. He would have bought for his children. I grew up on diet where ketchup ...really was considered as cheapening..the taste of dish. Yea, sweet'n sour chicken chinese style made with ketchup..is awful. Better to use a small glob for a huge vat of homemade sauce for perkiness. Same for his mother who...is formally trained at college in fine German cooking and baking. His mother shudders at the thought of ketchup. Now, be nice...this woman bakes multi-layer fine cake tortes, chicken with wine sauces and white asparagus, traditional style.

Ooooooh I love mustard, all varieties --plain and gourmet. It was not always like this. I didn't acquire a taste for mustard until my late 20's. But a quality peameal bacon sandwich deserves....lots of mustard! One of my sisters had a passion for mustard and so easy to buy her one of her birthday gifts a gourmet pot of mustard.

I work for a German firm...so the ketchup absence probably was not a big deal. yea..too bad, the sauerkraut wasn't there. That's delicious with weisswurst (a German veal, light sausage). And yea, ketchup on buffalo sausage or rosemary-pork-blueberry-venison (they do sell that in our area) whatever gourmet sausage would be a big mistake.

[uforgot]

I'm in the midwest and school food is awful! Exactly like the menu Zen put up. We have a soda machine, but rumor is that it's going next year. Last year the Student Council put up a "healthy" snack machine. I was really looking forward to it. When they first cranked it up, it had Oreos, Chips Ahoy cookies and Lays chips along with string cheese and yogurt. I asked the sponsor what was so healthy about their stuff, especially the cookies and he replied, "they are in 100 calorie packs and the Lays are baked". I told him that it was still 100 calories worth of crap. Now keep in mind, this guy chained smoked and had a gut a mile wide, so he probably really thought it was healthy.

We now have a new juice machine and I noticed that the tomato juice/v8 juice row goes rather quickly. I think if all of the soda and junk were taken out of the machines and lunches, the students would develop healthier eating habits and their behavior and ability to stay on task would improve! There has also been a movement among the students to stop drinking soda which is kind of cool.

[SadieKate]

Pardon my iggerance, but I'm still not getting why ketchup is an abomination or unhealthy. It's chutney without the lumps. It's lowfat. Yes, you may pick up some sugar but how would you make cocktail sauce without it? Or baked beans? OK, make either one from scratch with the same ingredients and say you haven't used ketchup. Yeah, it'll be so much healthier for you.

Cocktail sauce made with a ton of horseradish and lemon juice with fresh cracked crab. Ooh boy, better put that on my "do not eat list" as unhealthy and "cheapened" by the ketchup. I'm still not getting it.

Pickle relish has no fat. Tuna salad without it is weird. A homemade low fat hamburger with tomato and lettuce and relish at the end of a summer ride? Yum. And I don't feel guilty. Fries and chips = guilt. Low fat burger with veggies = no guilt.

This ketchup recipe sounds fabulous and I'm going to find the Annie's ketchup.

http://www.epicurious.com/recipes/food/views/109037
http://www.pickleking.com/pps/0pickling.shtml#relish

Ketchup and piggle relish each have their place in particular cuisines.

[Deborajen]

Isn't ketchup sky high in sodium? Pretty much any canned vegetable (or bottled) gets a bad name for having too much sodium.

Deb

[SadieKate]

Let's not confuse the recipe with the item. Not all cyclists run red lights . . . .

And not all people need to worry about sodium intake. I know a little extra sodium during and at the end of a hot summer's ride for my hubby is like a magic pill.

[crazycanuck]

Mmmmm..chutney...mmmmm

[bmccasland]

Mmmmm..chutney...mmmmm

And I couldn't find ANY in my local grocery store yesterday. Will either have to look at Whole Foods, World Market, or break down and make my own. Had saffron rice and chicken, and NO chutney. I haven't bought any since I moved here (made my own), and I thought southeners ate chutney. Apparently it's a "seasonal" item, like currants. What I want to know is, what's the season?

Oh and IMHO tomato ketchup is yucky. Haven't bought any more since I cleaned out my refrigerator post Katrina. I don't like anything but salt on my french fries - which I happen to eat rarely, but when I do, I want them hot and crispy.

[crazycanuck]

BM..i'd love to send you some yummy chutney from Western Australia but i don't know if it would be confiscated by US customs..

[bmccasland]

BM..i'd love to send you some yummy chutney from Western Australia but i don't know if it would be confiscated by US customs..

ooh yummy! In your suitcase when you come on vacation? As for what you can or can't bring into the US - you might want to check the US State Department's web site
http://www.state.gov/travelandbusiness/

To my knowledge there aren't blocks to bring in commercially prepared food, except meats and cheeses. Can't bring in plants in dirt (soil transports bugs and bacteria), some flower bulbs are illegal. Years ago I was able to bring cut flowers from Paris, but the Agriculture inspection agent removed the seed pods that were part of the decoration. No endangered species (on the international list), or products made from endangered species (so leave the ivory at home).
Here's the US Agriculture Dept web site with more travel info http://www.usda.gov/wps/portal/!ut/p...VEL_RECREATION

Hope this helps. So long answer to a short question - I'd love some Aussie chutney, and I highly doubt it'll be confiscated by customs. Just so the jar doesn't break in your suitcase. That would be an icky mess.

[mimitabby]

I wouldn't put Ketchup or Relish on those things either. but as "food groups"
there are worse things. They have their place!
And what's wrong with sodium when you've been riding your bike all day?

For my semi annual hotdog, relish is my favorite topping.

and when i make oven roasted potatoes, i am not offended when people want to put catsup on it (two spellings, never could decide which i liked better)

but I've heard of people making SPAGHETTI with KETCHUP sauce.

[smilingcat]

I wouldn't put Ketchup or Relish on those things either. but as "food groups"
there are worse things. They have their place!
And what's wrong with sodium when you've been riding your bike all day?

For my semi annual hotdog, relish is my favorite topping.

and when i make oven roasted potatoes, i am not offended when people want to put catsup on it (two spellings, never could decide which i liked better)

but I've heard of people making SPAGHETTI with KETCHUP sauce.

tomato sauce out of ketchup. ewwwwWWW!!! And I'm not even remotely Itallian.

Burger, yes. hot dogs yes, bratwurst NO, corn dog yes, fries occasionally, tater tots sometimes, western style omlette absolutely yes, fish and chips on a rare blue moon, spaghetti ewww!!!

smilingcat

[SadieKate]

but I've heard of people making SPAGHETTI with KETCHUP sauce.

Eh, it's probably because they are too lazy to add the ingredients separately. Whatever. You just have to balance out the other ingredients. For a forum obsessed with each and every item in sport drinks, we seem to be losing sight of the trees for the forest.

I do draw the line at fudge made with Velveeta.

[Tokie]

For research on why some of us find red gloppy sweet ketchup so irresistible, even on delicately seasoned foods, read this article from the Wall Street Journal on "Umami". http://online.wsj.com/article/SB119706514515417586.html Very interesting! Tokie