Need to lose 40 lbs~ gradually bridging the gap.

[VeloVT]

Tuckervill --
Grrr, don't get me started on the idiocy of the Calorie King exercise calculator. For running, aside from the fact that no runner who runs with a stopwatch ever calculates their pace as "miles per hour" (instead of "minutes per mile"), necessitating tedious conversion, it measure "calories per minute" instead of calories per distance. Of course, the increase in calorie burn per minute running at a faster pace is much smaller than the increase in time gained by running at a slower pace -- and the completely WRONG result is that if I run 4 miles at a 9 minute pace, Calorie King tells me I burned more calories than if I run 4 miles at a 7 minute pace. This is just not true, sorry! This makes me absolutely crazy. I tried to send their tech support people an email about how stupid this way of calculating it is but after carefully composing a long email on their support form and clicking submit, the page failed because I didn't have the right cookie permissions enabled... arrgh.

Anyway, for running and biking, my two most common activities, I just use the rough estimate that running burns about 100 calories per mile, and biking burns about 40 (this last estimate is very rough and doesn't really take speed, wind etc into consideration, and they make a much bigger difference biking than they do running. On the other hand, I will take off a little bit if a lot of my riding was done in town with lots of stopping for lights). Then I randomly pick a pace and enter in a number of minutes that (according to their formula) produces the number of calories I estimate I burned ...

[jayjay]

From this website : http://nutrition.about.com/library/b...tion_guide.htm

I have done averages until I am blue in the face. So the information I was wanting is this > to weigh my goal weight of 130 pounds I should eat 1725 calories per day to maintain without exercize. That is what I am basing my absolute bottom intake. Here is a little chart I've made for an example, based completely on my age , gender, and size:

130 goal weight maintenance~
no exercize needs 1725 cal per day
30 min exercize needs 1930 cal per day
60 min exercize needs 2185 cal per day.

>>THIS IS THE CALORIE NEEDS I AM PLUGGING INTO AS OF NOW, @ 172 pounds. <<<

So, do you think 1725 minimum, 2200 maximum (average 2000) to lose 40 pounds is reasonable?

I still have the huge task of learning the caloric value of the things I eat, most all of which is cooked from scratch. So, if I stay around 2000 calories per day, take or give a couple hundred, I think that is my personal losing rate and goal weight maintenance number for an average through the weeks of some days very lite to others heavy days of exercize.

I am thinking I have been consuming somewhere between 2500 and 3000 per day in recent years, while hiking mornings, and still gaining. sheesh!

ps. I suppose until I get it figured out I can eat packaged foods with the caloric value posted, or even ... buy... weightwatchers foods. Any tips for someone who is a diehard 'no prepared food' eater?

[VeloVT]

That doesn't sound right... I think once you have reached 130, those calorie levels will allow you to maintain it. I think you need to create more of a deficit than that in order to lose... Calorie King has me eating about 1200 calories per day for losing (closer to 1500-1600) for maintenance (these are both "net" counts -- that is, calories consumed minus calories burned -- so if you ride for a couple of hours and burn 1,000 calories, you could theoretically eat 2200 calories and still lose, as long as the difference between what you consume and what you burn is within your goal range). I find this a big motivator to get me exercising, (that is, when I"m using CK diligently), because if you don't exercise at all, you are only allowed to eat 1200 calories that day. It's hard to put together a nutritious day, much less a satisfying one, on 1200 calories (it can be done, you just can't eat any junk). Once you start exercising, you find that the additional hunger is smaller than the additional amount of calories you're allowed to eat.

Also, you can't plug in generic values for "minutes of exercise" -- it really matters what you are doing. Running for an hour is different than biking for an hour or walking for an hour or swimming for an hour.

And yes, prepackaged foods work fine. I find that cutting up lots of fruits and vegetables and putting them in little bags helps keep me feeling full without eating that many calories (I do count calories for those too -- but, once you get past the psychological aspect of wanting comfort food, which is hard for me, I do find that two carrots (about 50 calories) can be a lot more filling than a mini-bag of pretzels from the vending machine with 2-3 times the calories).

[jayjay]

That doesn't sound right... I think once you have reached 130, those calorie levels will allow you to maintain it. I think you need to create more of a deficit than that in order to lose... Calorie King has me eating about 1200 calories per day for losing (closer to 1500-1600) for maintenance

Okay, I'll keep that in mind. My whole fascination with this method I've come up with is to start with my goal weight's caloric maintenance needs. I will lose weight gradually, slowing down, until I am maintaining. Okay, maybe some readjustment will need to happen closer to that happening, but to start off, at 172 pounds I think in order for me to not go into a starvation mode from my abundant calorie intake in the present, it's not so off ?

I find this a big motivator to get me exercising, (that is, when I"m using CK diligently), because if you don't exercise at all, you are only allowed to eat 1200 calories that day. It's hard to put together a nutritious day, much less a satisfying one, on 1200 calories (it can be done, you just can't eat any junk). Once you start exercising, you find that the additional hunger is smaller than the additional amount of calories you're allowed to eat.

I want to lose slowly, with practice in proper maintenance being my number one focus. If I wanted to drop 10 pounds per month, sure, I'd have to eat a lot less. I'm thinking maybe to base the minimum 1725 calories to be a bit more reasonable then? That way, any exercize calories burned , are just icing on the case. I tend to like to base a scenario on worst case, just for a lot of safety zone.

Also, you can't plug in generic values for "minutes of exercise" -- it really matters what you are doing. Running for an hour is different than biking for an hour or walking for an hour or swimming for an hour.

I totally get that. Everything I'm gauging is bikeride time uphill, up a steep climb in lowest gear, and walking uphill. I will begin to not count downhill minutes. How's that? I think it sounds about right.

And yes, prepackaged foods work fine. I find that cutting up lots of fruits and vegetables and putting them in little bags helps keep me feeling full without eating that many calories (I do count calories for those too -- but, once you get past the psychological aspect of wanting comfort food, which is hard for me, I do find that two carrots (about 50 calories) can be a lot more filling than a mini-bag of pretzels from the vending machine with 2-3 times the calories).

I'm with you there. The hardest part of the whole thing in lifestyle change is looking for other aspects in life which offer comfort... or, other non-caloric things. For me black coffee is a comfort food, even decaff. I also get a good comfort feeling from teas of all kinds. And by all means, I've got to learn to replace starchy and sugary snax with vegie/fruit snacks ~ ! Thanks Liza!

[Tuckervill]

You can use Calorie King and Sparkpeople online for free.

Karen

[jayjay]

You can use Calorie King and Sparkpeople online for free. Karen

Thanks! I've been browsing over them....

[Tuckervill]

Get a kitchen scale and measure all your servings. Measure all your ingredients, too.

Use only recipes that have provided the calories per serving.

Use nutritiondata.com to analyze your original recipes. (free).

I have made a bunch of incremental changes over the last 4 years or so. I've been meaning to take time to list them, because some of them are so ingrained in my life that I don't recall off hand what they were anymore. But it started with:

*eliminating Diet Coke and replacing it with unsweetened iced tea.
*eating breakfast within an hour after rising
*eating oatmeal with raisins and walnuts for breakfast
*Using the salad plates instead of dinner plates for every meal.
*Measuring all my food
*Recording all my food.
*Adding exercise, of course.
*Adding more activity, of course.
*refusing to feel guilty about anything I eat
*reading labels
*journaling my struggles with food/exercise
*eliminating high fructose corn syrup, which led to
*eliminating processed foods
*became a student of everything exercise and nutrition related
*watching work outs on TV, even when I'd already worked out that day
*search harder for restaurants which have fresh food (we eat out often)
*pretty much eliminated fast food (but I have a kid and sometimes we need something QUICK)

A couple of changes I am now making...I'm replacing iced tea with water at most meals out. Thinking about how to implement never eating anything that I don't know exactly how many calories it has.

There are more changes to be made. I'm not perfect and never will be. And I'm not giving up my daily hot cup of tea with real sugar--and I put sugar in my oatmeal, too!

Karen

[VeloVT]

Get a kitchen scale and measure all your servings. Measure all your ingredients, too.

-and I put sugar in my oatmeal, too!

Karen

Measuring really helps you keep on track. I bought a scale mainly for pasta -- but once I started measuring everything -- the milk I put in my tea, wine, etc -- I started losing a lot faster.

And Karen -- maple syrup in oatmeal = mmmmm (I like to throw in walnuts and chopped apple too).

(I like it unsweetend with banana and milk too, but my boyfriend finds cooked banana revolting, so when we eat it together...).

[jayjay]

Get a kitchen scale and measure all your servings. Measure all your ingredients, too. I have made a bunch of incremental changes over the last 4 years or so. I've been meaning to take time to list them, because some of them are so ingrained in my life that I don't recall off hand what they were anymore....

Thanks Karen, for all of the tips! I agree with all of them. I am rethinking a little bit, these first days into TheRetroaction back to Fit & Slender, and thinking I need to do more, a lot more, but I really am being picky and choosey. One thing I am implementing is lowering the morning caffeine, because that makes me on edge, quick to fire off, which keeps me in a bad mood, which is harmful to my self esteem, and a higher self esteem is paramount to success in self overhauls.The other I think that is screaming obvious is to religiously take vitamins, and drink more water.
~Jen

ps. I enjoyed reading about Priscilla's journey. I need to have such courage! I'm working on curbing my ridiculous self-consciousness about being fat, and to stop hiding, and to put on the lycra and ride anyway, whiile all of the slim riders pass me up the mtn. That's okay. It may not have been 10 years ago, or even 5, but it is now.

[tulip]

The calorie counting is one aspect, important for weight loss, but I fear you might be losing something with all that math.

Eat well. Live well. Be active.

Eat an apple every day, and carrots and salads, preferably from local gardens and markets. Walk places. Eat whole grains-bread, pasta, rice...Eat local, humanely-raised meat (if you eat meat) and milk (if you drink milk). Your plate should be filled with color.

For me, personally, a more European approach is what works for me. I go to local markets frequently and buy what is fresh and in season. I love to cook, the freshest foods make the best meals. I eat slowly and enjoy a good meal. I stop when I've had enough--before I'm full.

So, count calories if you have to, but don't obsess about it. Change your lifestyle wholistically, not just the counting. Counting gets boring and boring isn't sustainable.

[jayjay]

The calorie counting is one aspect, important for weight loss, but I fear you might be losing something with all that math.
Eat well. Live well. Be active.

I am too much the other way... never count anything, just ride or hike when I feel like it (or the dog makes me) and really , at 46yrs have not hardly learned what true discipline is . It's not like I think counting calories will keep me from eating them, (I notice this seems to be some kind of a method with some?) but will allow me to be aware of what I'm taking in. Once I get my favorite foods, and proper portions down, I think that I will just 'get it' and I wont' have to count anymore. I think though, honestly, that just about every method incorporates calories, or points, or some such keeping track. I have never successfully done that before though, and i'ts difficult for me to brace myself for doing it now, too.

Eat an apple every day, and carrots and salads, preferably from local gardens and markets. Walk places. Eat whole grains-bread, pasta, rice...Eat local, humanely-raised meat (if you eat meat) and milk (if you drink milk). Your plate should be filled with color.

Honey, you're preaching to the choir...I couldn't agree more!

For me, personally, a more European approach is what works for me. I go to local markets frequently and buy what is fresh and in season. I love to cook, the freshest foods make the best meals. I eat slowly and enjoy a good meal. I stop when I've had enough--before I'm full.
So, count calories if you have to, but don't obsess about it. Change your lifestyle wholistically, not just the counting. Counting gets boring and boring isn't sustainable.

I live out in the boonies, so runs to the market must be more frugal, once a week I try to keep it. I have to learn to slow down that's for sure, but I am a manic frenzied person anyway, so that's tough. Maybe I need to drink a little wine before my dinner, maybe that will help (but more calories...oy) Learning where 80% full is, is a tough one for me. Leaving a little hunger, is wise, but just not me. The times when I was really fit though, and slender, I didn't need food to sedate me, so, like so many things, it's the law of inertia... it will gain momentum as it goes, jsut difficult to begin. Thanks a whole lot !

[GLC1968]

Any tips for someone who is a diehard 'no prepared food' eater?

Yes - stay that way!!! Don't start buying prepared foods to lose weight...you'll just compromise your health unnecessarily. Many of the web calorie counters allow you to build recipes and then eat only servings of them. You can 'build' them with fresh foods from their database, so it's not like you have to key them in yourself. You just pick the foods you cook with and then save the recipe for future use. I have lately been using www.MyFoodDiary.com and it's really, really good for this. (Best I've found so far but it is $9/mo.)

I think that your basic calorie calculations are pretty good, but keep in mind...if you eat those calories now to lose weight (which is likely because your BMR is higher due to your current weight), you will probably have to adjust these numbers as you get closer to your goals. As you lose weight, your body becomes more efficient at functioning on lower calories, so you'll have to lower them again to keep the weight loss going. That's one of the reasons why you don't want to drop the calories too drastically to start...

Good luck with it!

(I just put together a plan for myself...7 months to lose 30 lbs...so I'll be following your progress!)

[jayjay]

Yes - stay that way!!! Don't start buying prepared foods to lose weight...you'll just compromise your health unnecessarily. Many of the web calorie counters allow you to build recipes and then eat only servings of them. You can 'build' them with fresh foods from their database, so it's not like you have to key them in yourself. You just pick the foods you cook with and then save the recipe for future use.

That sounds like a terrific idea. See , I'm just really out of the loop. I didn't realize that i only have to 'make the recipe' once, then, if I adhere to the recipe, and carefully cut portions, I'm probably close enough. It will just take a long time to figure out a serving size of my favorite dishes (lazagna, paella, enchilladas, pizza). But, I consider the veggies 'free' except for the dressings that I may toss 'em with, I will get use to pigging out on salads and mounds of brocolli/cauliflower/zuchini again.

I think that your basic calorie calculations are pretty good, but keep in mind...if you eat those calories now to lose weight (which is likely because your BMR is higher due to your current weight), you will probably have to adjust these numbers as you get closer to your goals. As you lose weight, your body becomes more efficient at functioning on lower calories, so you'll have to lower them again to keep the weight loss going. That's one of the reasons why you don't want to drop the calories too drastically to start...

My thinking exactly. But I think that between 1700 and 2000 calories is a good safe start with least amount of metabolic freak-out.

[/UOTE]Good luck with it! (I just put together a plan for myself...7 months to lose 30 lbs...so I'll be following your progress!)[/QUOTE] Are you doing something similar? Hey, Thanks !!!