Dang, DrB, I was just looking at those shorts on REI.com when I put together my order the other night... and looking... and looking... and wondering about them... and didn't order them

Does that wide waistband tend to roll over or bunch up? (I'm very short-waisted.) What is the rise - using Athleta's system which I LOVE - number of fingers below your natural waist: "index rise, peace rise, scout rise, palm rise"? Do they run true to size?