i have now seen it all

[Zen]

Actually, I did like the blue flowered waterbottle, until it was pointed out just what it's shaped like.

I kind of like it because of that. Gotta admit, it's different.

[Aggie_Ama]

Claudia- You reminded me of a conversation I had with my mom. She just bought and started riding a Harley. She was absolutely appalled when one of the women from her riding class sent her an email elated about her new motorcyle. She bought a Buell that was blue with yellow flowers "and just so cute!" My mom made gagging noises and called it a sissy bike. I went to the strangers defense saying she loves it and that is important. And as is my nature continued to argue with my mom for a good 10 minutes about how riding a motorcycle should be about freedom and self expression and what ever else I could find to say she was wrong.

Now I will go off to enjoy my girly bike with pale blue accents, pink bottles and girly flowery jerseys, but no penis shaped WSD bottles.

[lph]

I wish that the label wsd could stick to gear that is functionally different, i.e. specifically designed to accomodate the physical differences between (most) men and (most) women. There's no reason the rest shouldn't be gender neutral.

It's nobody's business if I want something in flaming red with black skulls on it, or if my son happens to like pale blue or lilac, and we don't need to be told that "this is for women", with the annoying subtext that everything else is, by default, "for men".

[Starfish]

"this is for women", with the annoying subtext that everything else is, by default, "for men".

This is Soooo much of it, for me. I am sick of a whole catalog of cycling stuff, with 2 pages of WSD. I notice they don't call the whole rest of the catalog MSD.

As a woman with long torso, short legs, and extremely small hands, I am waiting for the day when bikes of all frame proportions can be ordered with some options without having to spend an arm and a leg, or without going custom. Like, ordering a long-torso frame with the option of R700 and a Terry Falcon X, for instance.

And, I don't notice a lot of water bottles out there sporting Speed Racer or Racer X graphics, and marketed as MSD.

Grrrr.

[kat_h]

Honestly I don't like the term WSD at all, because even though I am definitely female hardly any of it ever fits me. I tried some WSD bikes and thought that with a longer top tube and wider handlebars they'd be pretty good. On Saturday I went shoe shopping and after three times around the women's side still hadn't found a single shoe that fit, so I went to the men's side and the second pair I tried on was perfect. When I saw that the water bottle only holds a half litre I wondered what 9 year old that would be enough for.

susiej summed it up perfectly. It would be better to label them as slim fit or something that actually describes the product, instead of calling it WSD when I'm a woman and it sure as heck wasn't designed for me.

[Starfish]

So, the one other thing I would add here is that we can preach to the choir here all we want...we should also be writing letters and emails to the companies.

I get tired of doing that, although I do write letters (not as much as I complain, though). But, if we want change, we have to keep letting them know, and keep letting them know, and keep letting them know. Maybe it won't help that much, but what else can we do? At least writing a letter is an action we can take.