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[OakLeaf]

Does the ... market really think Americans are all superficial, no substance?

Don't get me started. It turns out, my Prius even falls into that category, and they sure sucked me right in. My 1983 Nissan Sentra got nearly as good mileage.... without 100+ lbs of lead that will need to be disposed of/recycled at some point in the car's life.

[sgtiger]

The tandem in the Fit is impressive. Had these been out when we purchased DH's car, it's definitely something we would have considered. Now his Civic is paid off and it's nice not having to make payments, otherwise I'd be tempted to trade it in for one of these.

[Thorn]

Don't get me started. It turns out, my Prius even falls into that category, and they sure sucked me right in. My 1983 Nissan Sentra got nearly as good mileage.... without 100+ lbs of lead that will need to be disposed of/recycled at some point in the car's life.

Really? Sorry to hear that. I get pretty good mileage in the Prius...summertime is around 58mpg on my 40 mile commute (1/2 60mph freeway; 1/2 35mph streets). But, this winter with our "artic weather patterns", I'm getting around 45mpg because it is just too cold for the gas engine to turn off.

Of course, I got a relatively early V2 Prius. I heard that they started adding bells and whistles such that gas mileage dropped.

[OakLeaf]

It has a lot to do with the kind of driving one does I'm sure. I know people who get much better mileage in their ... oh here's that word again. Priuses? Prii? Prioi? (I prefer the latter even though it ought to go with a singular Prios, not Prius )

Up north it's a rural commute. Accelerate to highway speed, go two miles, come to a redlight and stop; repeat x 3. Definite gas mileage killer. Down south, use the car once or twice a week so the battery doesn't stay topped up.

Unfortunately I have a suspicion that the Prius does best in the kind of daily commute where SOMEONE SHOULDN'T BE DRIVING A DANGED CAR AT ALL because it's stop and go urban traffic and you should just take the bus, or the train. Or ride your bike.

... Did I say don't get me started?

PS are you going by the auto-calculation of the gas mileage, or figuring it yourself? It turns out that my gas mileage doesn't drop near as much in cold weather as the car thinks it does. The fuel tank is a rubber bladder, to reduce evaporative emissions, but it gets much stiffer in the cold, and it throws off the auto-calculations.

[Thorn]

I kept track of mpg using the gallons and miles method early on its life, but then, after learning about the bladder, gave up. The car's values were close enough, but when good old fickle WI winter weather hit, it became impossible. I could fill up when it was 0F and then the next time I needed a fill up it would be 40F. So, I've just come to rely on its reported mileage. Probably wrong, but it is all relative.

Best mileage? Oh, I think it is worse than you have (or is what you mean)....stop and go freeway traffic. If I screw up my departure from work and end up in freeway rush hour, I can easily exceed 70mpg on that segment. Unlike urban driving, you don't have any rough accelerations--just gentle up to speed (if it is <34mph then it is all electric) and coasting to recoup the battery. I've gone 20 minutes on electric.

Thankfully, I only hit that situation once a month or so. Hard to think they built such an interesting piece of engineering for a situation you shouldn't be in in the first place.

[tulip]

It has a lot to do with the kind of driving one does I'm sure. I know people who get much better mileage in their ... oh here's that word again. Priuses? Prii? Prioi? (I prefer the latter even though it ought to go with a singular Prios, not Prius )

Up north it's a rural commute. Accelerate to highway speed, go two miles, come to a redlight and stop; repeat x 3. Definite gas mileage killer. Down south, use the car once or twice a week so the battery doesn't stay topped up.

Unfortunately I have a suspicion that the Prius does best in the kind of daily commute where SOMEONE SHOULDN'T BE DRIVING A DANGED CAR AT ALL because it's stop and go urban traffic and you should just take the bus, or the train. Or ride your bike.

... Did I say don't get me started?

WELL SAID!

[Tuckervill]

I drove a diesel Beetle for a couple of years before it got swept up by the streetsweeper.

It was quiet, not loud. It got 40 mpg, or better if I obeyed the speed limit, which I rarely did. It had heated seats. It started even when it was cold. In really cold climates, they put anti-gel agent in the diesel, so that helps, too. It did NOT like to run out of diesel!

There are lots of diesel pumps--no not on every corner, but if you know where to look you can always find one. Whenever I traveled (and I did cross country a lot), I would try to determine which predominant local company carried diesel in that state, and then make sure to look for those stations. Lots of time the diesel nozzles are on the same stand with the gas pump and if you aren't looking for them you won't notice them. And, you can always wait in line with the big rigs in a pinch (although, sometimes the nozzle dispenses really really fast and you might spill).

I could carry three bikes on a hitch mounted Yakima rack. I frequently took the back seat out, inserted a custom-made platform that leveled everything out, and loaded my gear onto that. If you just had one bike, you could put the back seat down and roll the bike in through the hatch. You could stack two bikes, probably.

I loved all 4 of my Beetles, but I think I loved the diesel best--because of the miles per gallon.

BTW: My Element got really good mileage when I was in Maine for a week last September. I think it had to do with Maine's 50 mph speed limits, though.

Karen

[evangundy]

I'm reading this thread with interest, as DH & I both have big, honkin' long wheel base recumbents. Wheels on, think 6 feet or more long. ...

We also have LWB bents (Easy Racer Gold Rush & TiRush) and I drive a 2001 Chevy Venture. With only 3 seats left in, will carry 3 ER bents, with fairings on, and luggage for week long tour for 3 people. Bike sizes small & medium we can leave front wheels on, size large or X-large, wheels off. Gas mileage = avg 22mpg city, 25-28 hwy. Drives more like a car than a van.

We're up to 101,300 miles on odometer, so we're starting to look for something to replace it. I'm following this thread with lots of interest
Edna

[KnottedYet]

My sweetie mentioned wanting a Honda Fit, and after reading about the tandem in the Fit, I'm getting interested in one.

[mimitabby]

I must say that little detail caught my attention as well.
I guess I'm going to have to look at one of those...

[Aggie_Ama]

I drove a diesel Beetle for a couple of years before it got swept up by the streetsweeper.

It was quiet, not loud. It got 40 mpg, or better if I obeyed the speed limit, which I rarely did. It had heated seats. It started even when it was cold. In really cold climates, they put anti-gel agent in the diesel, so that helps, too. It did NOT like to run out of diesel!

There are lots of diesel pumps--no not on every corner, but if you know where to look you can always find one. Whenever I traveled (and I did cross country a lot), I would try to determine which predominant local company carried diesel in that state, and then make sure to look for those stations. Lots of time the diesel nozzles are on the same stand with the gas pump and if you aren't looking for them you won't notice them. And, you can always wait in line with the big rigs in a pinch (although, sometimes the nozzle dispenses really really fast and you might spill).

I could carry three bikes on a hitch mounted Yakima rack. I frequently took the back seat out, inserted a custom-made platform that leveled everything out, and loaded my gear onto that. If you just had one bike, you could put the back seat down and roll the bike in through the hatch. You could stack two bikes, probably.

I loved all 4 of my Beetles, but I think I loved the diesel best--because of the miles per gallon.

BTW: My Element got really good mileage when I was in Maine for a week last September. I think it had to do with Maine's 50 mph speed limits, though.

Karen

You make me long to trade in my Caliber on a diesel Beetle! I absolutely LOVED my leased '01 Beetle. DH and I felt we needed a somewhat family car (4 doors) when he had a single cab truck, so I didn't replace it with another Beetle. Now he wrecked his truck and has a quad cab, I don't need a four door! I really like my Caliber but there was just something about driving my little yellow Beetle.

[Blueberry]

Well...we answered that question...

We bought a pre-loved Santana Visa Tandem last night. There will be pictures once it goes to the shop for a once over. We took the element to pick it up. The passenger's side front seat slides up, and goes forward a little. So....we just barely managed to get the tandem in. No room for passengers (DH rode in the back with the bike). The only way to actually fit a tandem would be to put all of the right side seats in bed mode - but that means you'd have to be very careful about grease....

Just something to think about

[surgtech1956]

I wish there was something 4wd that was efficient. I had a loaner Dodge Caravan for a few days and that was great - on gas + the room.

[KnottedYet]

Surg - if you want AWD and acceptable (not great) mpg, try looking at Subaru. I get around 30 mpg with my Impreza. They go from 90-10 to 50-50, so you always have some power going to the rear wheels, that's why the mpg isn't fabulous. If you want 100-0 and 50-50 (with no gradations, and no LSD - so watch for windup on corners) take a look at the mid 1980's Subaru GL. There are still some around, but you'd have to get out of the salt to find one.

Jeep is doing a diesel, and their warrantee covers B100. Kind of expensive, though.

Last time I looked, the Element came with an AWD option. But only on the automatic, so that tossed the Element off my short list when I was car shopping.

[Starfish]

Last time I looked, the Element came with an AWD option. But only on the automatic, so that tossed the Element off my short list when I was car shopping.

Yep, I have the AWD AT. I also really bridled at buying an automatic. But, I have to say, I'm getting plenty used to it, and I have been VERY happy with how the AWD, with stock tires, performed last month up in the mountains with fresh snow, and also with compact, icy snow. Also, went camping on Friday night, and was reminded of how glad I am to have the head-clearance in the back for standing up (kind of) in the back. It makes a great "tent."