I also like the amfib or gavia PI tights. I have 3 pairs of amfib bibs and one of the gavia bibs which helped me survive communiting all last winter and hopefully next winter. Watch Nashbar.com returns section for good prices. I have seen a few in the last couple of weeks for sale reasonably. Also I recommend ordering by phone to make sure the product is still available AND pay by check. They have a habit of overcharging credit cards. Happy riding.