tatormc & Slinke, you both took the words from my mouth. I'm just a lil' Jewish gal from Petaluma and I don't know anything about religion but my impression from my little knowlege of Christianity that's kinda the whole point.

I can't quote scripture and won't try to but I got the impression "judge not lest ye be...." "let he who is without..." "love the sinner hate the shoes" oops, wrong book on that last one etc.

Fact is most of the worlds great religions have that in common, the Golden Rule.

I kinda like that about your religion! And it seems to me that folks who get that are MORE Christian not less. You want fire and brimstone and eternal pillar of salt that's my folks department.

Well, nuff said, I've gotta find a taxi to Day 1 for a group of riders. I expect when I get back TE will have this whole issue solved along with world peace and global warming.

I've been given some hammer gel, never tried it. I'm told not to change diet or anything before a long ride. Oops, this is the OT thread so can't talk about cycling here like what people think of hammer gel. That would be OT OT.