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  1. #31
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    Gosh, I really shouldn't be giving you this tip because I became dependent on the darn thing but it really worked for me.

    I was doing something similar to what you are doing when you swim. I think mine was a type panic breathing and I believe that I was taking a quick "sip" of air with my nose as it hit the water. So, I purchased a nose piece and it took care of the problem and two years later I was able to ditch it and swim on my own.

    Hang in there...it will get easier!

  2. #32
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    As always, you gals have great advice! I go to the pool with DH tomorrow to practice. I've printed out all the recommendations, I also plan on picking up a kickboard and noseplugs!

    I WILL get this!

    Thank You, Thank You, Thank You!!!

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    I tend to expel about half my air under water and the rest as I turn to breathe. This morning I made a conscious effort to expel more and it made my breathing easier. It's definitely something I will keep working on.
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  4. #34
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    Signed up for my first swim lesson in decades.

    Okay so I have all the bad forms and habits. Never really learned to do the freestyle/crawl. just never could get the breathing thing right. interesting first lesson.

    I'm swimming because of my back problem. hoping to strech out muscles in my back, IT band, ham string and glutes. So its more of PT thingy than training for a tri.

    Swimming has never been my favorite cup of tea:
    nearly got drowned by local boys at a swimming area on a river near my uncle's place.

    my younger sister decided to stand up in a canoe on Lake Tahoe and panicked when we hit the waer and she nearly drowned me.

    had to swim 50yds or 100yds in college fully clothed with tennies. coach said we had to wear sweats full length. safety requirement (NY state law) to be on crew (I was a coxswain for men's 8 men crew sometime on 4 men crew.) rowing that is.

    and my good friend from college and I rolled the canoe on American Thanksgiving day while in northern Ontario. coldest 100 yard swim fully clothed in my life. I almost didn't make it. My friend carried me out of the water cause I was shivering so hard.

    so I can swim, poorly.

    so twice a week. This will be good. maybe I wont thrash so much in the water. I prefer breast stroke over the crawl. Did learn to do the butterfly but for the life of me, I would not even know where to begin today.

    Hopefully I wont hold up the class. and oh thanks for all the good suggestions here and links.
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    For what it's worth Smiling Cat... I had to swim for 6 weeks on my HS swim team... in FULL SWEATS. Yes, the top even had a hood to cause more drag. It was my punishment for failing a class.
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  6. #36
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    I was reading an article for beginner triathletes about common problems in swimming. It mentioned a fear of difficulty in breathing. It said:

    "When you get out of breath, the natural instinct is to stop, pull your head out of the water, and breathe. But swimming requires that you're comfortable with your face in the water -- a major source of anxiety for many new swimmers."

    The paragraph basically states that when we're anxious or nervous, we want to breathe more often and get more air. As we get more oxygen in, carbon dioxide can build up which, in turn, makes us think that we need more air. We end hyperventilating instead of being calm. (Thanks to Triathlete Magazine)

    I think that's a lot of the problem I have in swimming. I did take Total Immersion lessons and that has helped. If you're just learning to swim, try to relax and take it step by step. I wasn't scared of the water at all (in fact I love the water!) but when faced with a non-stop swim, I felt like I couldn't breathe. The more I practice, the better it gets. The less I practice, the more I have that "learning curve" once again.

    Give it time, be patient, and it'll come. I know that's easier said than done because when I'm in the water I try to remember every little thing and I get worked up all over again. When I read the bit about carbon dioxide, I realized that it's a very real thing (this feeling that I need more air) and with that, maybe I can do something about it. So maybe do some reading too and you will see that so many people have the same problem and it is completely normal as you start swimming. And congrats for doing it

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    Quote Originally Posted by smilingcat View Post
    Signed up for my first swim lesson in decades.

    Okay so I have all the bad forms and habits. Never really learned to do the freestyle/crawl. just never could get the breathing thing right. interesting first lesson.

    I'm swimming because of my back problem. hoping to strech out muscles in my back, IT band, ham string and glutes. So its more of PT thingy than training for a tri.
    Thanks for the post. I need to get back into the pool for my back, etc. I saw that the local Y is offering lessons. Suppose I should sign up & cross my fingers that I don't get some buffed out 20 year old...

    ...hmm...or not?
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    Total Immersion!

    Check out the Total Immersion method. Though I was a lifeguard and WSI, I never learned how to really swim, that is to swim competitively. It wasn't until I purchased the book and DVD Triathlon Swimming Made Easy and worked through the progression of drills that I trained my body and develop the muscle memory to be able to breathe on both the right and the left and to relax in the water. It took me several months to learn to swim again but it has been well worth it.

    http://www.totalimmersion.net/

    The key is to practice, practice, practice!

  9. #39
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    Good luck Smilingcat! I'm having a difficult time, but never learned in the first place and not in control of the fear as much as I thought I was. So hopefully you will have a better time with it than I'm having!

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    I'm going to learn how to swim this month too. This post has been very helpful...I'm glad I'm not the only one with apprehension!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SwimBikeRun View Post
    Check out the Total Immersion method. Though I was a lifeguard and WSI, I never learned how to really swim, that is to swim competitively. It wasn't until I purchased the book and DVD Triathlon Swimming Made Easy and worked through the progression of drills that I trained my body and develop the muscle memory to be able to breathe on both the right and the left and to relax in the water. It took me several months to learn to swim again but it has been well worth it.

    http://www.totalimmersion.net/

    The key is to practice, practice, practice!
    Agree. I bought that book & it is very good. It does take practice!
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  12. #42
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    +1 for Total Immersion

    I have been lurking on the triathalon forum for the past few weeks, toying with the idea...I just started getting back in the pool after MANY years, and my first two visits I was gasping like a grounded guppy after one length of the pool. I realized I am expending way too much energy when I swim, so I started checking out the Total Immersion pearls that I could find online. I have ordered the book for Triathalon Open Water swimming book and the freestyle DVD, but they won't be here for a few weeks.

    I went to the pool today and tried doing some of the beginning drills, as best I could understand them, and what a difference! I slowed my strokes way down and focused on rotating my whole body and finding my balance in the water. I am really excited to learn how to swim again!

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    I went to my second lesson today. We reviewed what I learned last wed (rotating my body more, not lifting my head out of the water, proper kick etc) and then we did the back stroke (I did well on this), and then we worked on my stroke. As soon as I started to concentrate on how my arm/hand enters the moves thru the water, I forgot to breathe, or kick, or whatever. For the most part, I was uncoordinated and sloppy and but every once in awhile, I did a really good lap. The good thing was, I didn't think about my breathing as much today and it felt a bit more natural. Next lesson, Wednesday. I can't believe I actually like swimming. I can't believe I actually like running either. Who knew????
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    Quote Originally Posted by KSH View Post
    For what it's worth Smiling Cat... I had to swim for 6 weeks on my HS swim team... in FULL SWEATS. Yes, the top even had a hood to cause more drag. It was my punishment for failing a class.
    LOL...I'll bet you were fast after that though! When I did summer swim team as a kid we'd have things like pajama day, jeans-and-sneakers day etc. at the end of the season, so I know exactly how much harder that makes swimming! And then on high school swim team there was the famous garbage-bag relay (actually, I think we did that on summer swim team as well--same coach)...that one took the cake as far as drag goes!
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    Quote Originally Posted by kelownagirl View Post
    I went to my second lesson today. We reviewed what I learned last wed (rotating my body more, not lifting my head out of the water, proper kick etc) and then we did the back stroke (I did well on this), and then we worked on my stroke. As soon as I started to concentrate on how my arm/hand enters the moves thru the water, I forgot to breathe, or kick, or whatever. For the most part, I was uncoordinated and sloppy and but every once in awhile, I did a really good lap. The good thing was, I didn't think about my breathing as much today and it felt a bit more natural. Next lesson, Wednesday. I can't believe I actually like swimming. I can't believe I actually like running either. Who knew????
    for the neuromotor-challenged among us it is incredibly confusing in the beginning. It's good practice to isolate the movements. Can't remember if you're doing Total immersion but if not, read my posts one page up.

    After a year and 3 Months I can say I am comfortable swimming freestyle (let's say I was after a little under a year) - although I think my form could be improved.

    We did flip turns on Monday and it got me as soon as we were supposed to actually swim towards the wall with arm strokes.

    Oh and go and practice in between lessons. No matter how stupid you look.
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