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    Quote Originally Posted by alpinerabbit View Post
    From the belly, I think he should choose what he excels in, not drudge through what he thinks is better for the future... Lots of doors open up with a good grade record, then internships or a first job can be a step up.
    Yes. I absolutely agree.

    "They" say: If you do something you love for work, you will never have to work a day in your life.

    He needs to be happy in his job, and not choose training for expedience. passion is the key...

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    What I told him is to identify his 'dream job' and then talk to MIT alum that have that job (he has a good alum network through his fraternity) and ask their advice on how to best prepare for it. However, it is still hard for an 18 year old BOY, yes he is a boy, to know what that dream job is. He is great at math and physics, so all the coursework in either major is easy for him, so that's not the issue.

    I guess the problem is closing doors. It sounds like course 6 keeps more doors open (although realize at MIT all students end up with significant technical training regardless of major) and in my mind takes better advantage of being at MIT, afterall it is a technical institute, and he can always aquire business training later, but that does take longer and he is also interested in getting into the world of work sooner rather than later. If he gets the microsoft internship I think that will help a lot for him to see the world of work first hand. If he doesn't he has a guaranteed UROP (research) on campus for the summer, so either way he'll get some real world work experience. He said the problem is if he wants the microsoft internship he needs to say he is a course 6 major while if he wants an internship at a NYC bank he needs to say he is a management science major, and he just isn't sure yet.

    Our kids face tough decisions. Our daughter is majoring in neuroscience at Wellesley, but for her its deciding between a research career and medicine. At one point she decided on research and didn't want to finish her pre-med requirements, but we encouraged her to keep options open so she did take the courses, and now she is considering psychiatry so it is good to not close doors, at least at the tender age of 18 or 19.

    Please keep posting, I look forward to more feedback. I guess what I am really looking for is not which major gets you hired, my impression is a bright kid graduating from MIT with good grades won't have a hard time getting a job upon graduation, its what will prepare him best to excel in that job.

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    My brother did his Masters and PhD at MIT. I remember when he was looking for engineering schools, they suggested he go get his Bachelor's somewhere else, then come to them for advanced work. The man is literally a rock scientist - something about guidance systems, and now a 2 star general in the military.

    Early career you'd be working on projects (technical knowledge), but later on, may be doing management - and I think that depends on one's temperament, organizational skills, and such. Which is pretty much true no matter what your field is (I haven't pulled a fish seine net in 5 years).

    So I'd go with majoring in what he enjoys, with some goal towards the future. And getting the BS may only be the first step. Some agencies are looking for advanced degrees. But if he doesn't like his major, the courses and people involved, then he'll really need to rethink things. I was told to join the student chapter of the professional organization - if I didn't like the people now, I'm not going to like them later - ie these are the people you'll be working with down the road.
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    I have two real-life examples for you...both of these are women at my company (hi tech) who both happen to be 30 years old.

    One is a friend of mine from school. She completed a BSEE with honors and had a minor in business. She also has excellent communication skills which is a feature poorly lacking in many EE's. This gave her an advantage and when she graduated, she had multiple jobs to pick from while her classmates had none. She came to this company as a design engineer and then moved into technical sales. She then completed her MBA and is now a program manager in our advance development group (a VERY good place to be).

    The second is another friend of mine. She graduated with a BS in business. Got a job right out of school (also has excellent communication skills) at another company in a planning/marketing role. She came to my company in a similiar position and worked as a liason for some of our outsources. She also wanted to get into program management and at my company, they do not hire program or project managers without a technical degree. This woman had to sell her self hard to get the position and even then, they are starting her out with some very simple (and low visability) projects. She's doing well and learning fast, but was definitely held back by her lack of technical background even though many of us who have one rarely use it anyway.

    From my experience, if you want to truly succeed in high tech, having a technical degree will make life much, much easier.


    Of course, there is definitely something to be said for choosing to do what interests you the most. Had I done that myself, I wouldn't have had to go back to school at 29 to get another two degrees to do what I should have done at 18.
    Last edited by GLC1968; 01-08-2008 at 01:02 PM. Reason: edited because clearly having a technical degree doesn't help with typing skills! :p
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    For what it is worth, I can relate my husband's experience. When he went back to school to finish his B.S., he had 5 years experience in owning his own business and sales. He had been admitted to MIT, but was way too immature to go. He went to Penn State for a couple of years, not doing too well...
    So, when he went to transfer to ASU, he wanted to major in quantitative business analysis. The advisor told him he would never make it, married, a baby, etc. So he majored in computer information systems. It's a business degree. He did take a lot of programming courses (this was in the eighties) and got a really good job with Anderson Consulting right out of school. After that, he worked as an applications engineer (technical sales support) for Wang Labs and several start ups. He is now the director of 150 engineers who are application engineers at the Mathworks. They all have master's and Phd's. He says he is the least educated one there, but he has communication and people skills. So I guess the message is, take those business courses!

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    If I wanted to pursue a career in technical management, I would first focus on acquiring harder technical skills during undergrad and then adding business on later (say, as an MBA). The most successful tech managers I've met in my career did a 4-5 year stint as an engineer before moving up into management. Those who move straight into management out of school (usually via the program mgmt route) often seem to lack a deeper understanding of how the nuts and bolts really work. This can be something of a handicap, though not necessarily.

    That being said, watch out for only doing technical education, with no business or finance on top. That makes you a prime candidate for getting your job outsourced to another continent. And, uh... that's all I'm gonna say about that.

    My background, if it matters to you: Dropped out of "pre-med take 1" and joined the dotcom wave, worked my way up into software engineering on job experience alone. After 9 years of working in IT for a healthcare system, now I'm resuming the pursuit of my undergrad degree for "pre-med take 2". Do as I say, not as I do? Nontraditional in so many ways.

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    These are all very good responses. The one's I connect with most are the last two from Dianyla and Robyn. However, my response may be a bit "out there"...(perhaps influenced by an 18 hr day at the office)...ohhh, this response is going to be too long...

    First, what I'd tell your son is that the person who has options to choose from is to be envied...he (and you) may agonize over the choices, but having choices to make is a VERY good thing. I agree that the fraternity alumni network can be very helpful.

    Second, understand that in some ways, I'm not qualified to offer advice...I have a BS in Corporate Finance. While my degree got me my first job, my career was built on an ability to influence and lead people...I understand technology in application, but not design...and I don't have advanced math skills...

    Third, in guiding him, he needs to know where his natural aptitudes are in some key areas. An important consideration I see has to do with the level of natural people skills that you see your son as having. My recollection from a "proud mama" post that you made once is this kid is not only bright, but has a lot of personality as well. If this is true, I'd focus on a curriculum that gets him to one of the big consulting shops (accenture, McKenzie, BCG, etc) - this will likely look like heavy tech with basic business and an MBA later.

    The reason I suggest this is that these consulting shops work their folks like mad, pay them well, expose them to a broad experience base, but most importantly develop them into leaders (which is where the personality comes in, if that's his disposition). This experience can open any door in the world to him...A smart person who can lead...hmmm...that's a hot commodity!

    When you use the phase "Managing Technology", I kinda bristle...no one manages technology...they actually manage PEOPLE who do technical things An important distinction to me...that's where the ability to lead and inspire comes in...MIT won't give him that - his natural ability and experience will. MIT gives him the understanding of the technology but success comes from something else

    Another point to make: There's nothing magic about business. It's really just accounting. Everything else comes from that foundation. It's boring, it's basic (did you know Silver is a retired CPA?) ...but it's the language of business. To me, Finance is really an outgrowth of math and statistics spoken in the language of accounting. SO, he's got the math...maybe he just needs some basic accounting in his curriculum along with all the technical stuff.

    So, as I ramble, what am I saying:
    - Undergrad orientation in technical disciplines with a splash of accounting - enough to "learn the language". Tell him to start reading the Harvard Business Review...it'll peak his interest in stuff
    - Expect an MBA...it's WELL suited for someone with a science or liberal arts degree
    - take the wide path, not the narrow one...to me, that's consulting.

    Oh, and unless it's investment banking, I'd discourage him away from a big NYC bank...it's still a consolidating industry and even the largest ones are vulnerable these days...

    Hope I didn't ramble too much...
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