I placed my order for the Bella short back in Sept. maybe, and they were out of stock and would be available in October. Beginning of Nov. I received my medium Bella's. Oh my god. I had to jump off the bed to get into them. Sent them back for a size Large. This transaction took like 3 days total, I was impressed. I ended up sending them back becuase when I bent over, the belly roll that I have seemed to keep flipping out of the very nice contoured front piece they have. The material was almost form fitting and felt like they molded comfortably to my chubby legs but I just found it uncomfortable for that fat flopping sensation. I really liked the chamois that is in the Bella's. The pair of knickers that I own from Terry also have that same chamois in them and they are comfortable, did 77 miles and no chafing or irritation. I ordered a pair of the T short during the sale and another pair of Knickers. The T shorts can no more than go back if need be after reading the posts from this thread. I assumed the chamois would be the same. But will have to wait until my order gets here.