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  1. #16
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    If I'm not mistaken, all the shots are killed virus. The nasal spray is modified live virus.

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    Well mine was playing possum!
    Call it a "reaction" , you Nobel Prize-winning, white-coated *&^%'s... but
    I am SICK, I tell you.

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    This is how it was explained to me yesterday, that if you get sick one of several things may have occured.
    you can be allergic to some component of the vaccine (eggs - the preservative)
    you may have already been exposed to the flu without knowing it - generally symptoms don't appear for 24 hours or so after you've been exposed
    you may contract another strain - the flu vaccine usually only protects against 3 of the most common ones
    you may contract one of many "flu like" illnesses
    but you can't possibly get the flu from a flu shot, since there is no live virus in it (looks like Oakleaf is totally correct - the nasal spray is what has the live attenuated virus in it).

    I'm feeling lucky, I feel perfectly fine. I can't recall ever having a bad reaction to a vaccination before ever though. I might have to do the hepatitis series though...
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    All seem remarkably plausible explanations
    Thank you, Eden
    Btw, what is with the eggs?

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    The virus is cultured inside chicken eggs

    the nurse also told me that a good number of people can carry the flu without getting symptoms - so you can spread it without being sick! I decided though I've never had the flu, that working with sick kids it would be a good idea, both for them and for me to do it this year.
    Last edited by Eden; 11-20-2007 at 01:09 PM.
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    I like to think our medical/scientific community does its dead level best to verify these things, and that this is all accurate information.

    However, I am reminded of how many things change in science and medicine and I still don't see a good reason for me, personally, to get a flu shot, although there are plenty of good reasons for others to. I'm reminded of ulcers, which conventional wisdom said were always caused by stress--until that one guy drank glass full of Helicobactor pylori himself because no one would believe him that ulcers could be caused by a bacteria. He was right.

    I have two sons with relatively rare and poorly understood neurological disorders (Tourette Syndrome and Raynaud's phenomenon). No one can prove these were a result of vaccines...and no one can prove that they weren't. That's why I draw a line and rarely cross it.

    Karen

    Quote Originally Posted by Eden View Post
    This is how it was explained to me yesterday, that if you get sick one of several things may have occured.
    you can be allergic to some component of the vaccine (eggs - the preservative)
    you may have already been exposed to the flu without knowing it - generally symptoms don't appear for 24 hours or so after you've been exposed
    you may contract another strain - the flu vaccine usually only protects against 3 of the most common ones
    you may contract one of many "flu like" illnesses
    but you can't possibly get the flu from a flu shot, since there is no live virus in it (looks like Oakleaf is totally correct - the nasal spray is what has the live attenuated virus in it).

    I'm feeling lucky, I feel perfectly fine. I can't recall ever having a bad reaction to a vaccination before ever though. I might have to do the hepatitis series though...

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    Quote Originally Posted by margo49 View Post
    Well mine was playing possum!
    Call it a "reaction" , you Nobel Prize-winning, white-coated *&^%'s... but
    I am SICK, I tell you.
    Easy, girlfriend. Read over my other posts, in this thread and the last one. I don't doubt you're sick and I'm not one of the ones telling you your shot didn't cause it. KV can make you very sick. But your immune reaction has more to do with your system than it does with whether the vaccine was KV or MLV.

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    I was definitely a bit dizzy and chilled the day after my shot - DH too. That said, I never got sick last winter with more than a nasal cold. it's worth it and it doesn't even hurt that much!

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    Vaccines are beautiful.

    Homeopathic medicine at its very best.

    However, some of us may know in a profoundly deep way how our bodies react to things. If we feel a particular vaccine is very very wrong for us, perhaps we should steer clear of the vaccine and ALSO (and this is the important part) monitor ourselves for signs of catching the cootie we didn't get vaccinated against. If I think I've caught the flu, it is my DUTY to isolate myself from others so I don't spread it. I can choose to risk the flu, but it's wrong and immoral for me to risk spreading it.

    I wanted to participate in the HIV vaccine, and waited and hoped for years to be able to volunteer. I'm not the candidate they need. I deeply believe in the power and efficacy of vaccines. But I will not get a flu vaccine. The flu vaccine has ravaged my family. I feel my personal risk is greater if I get the shot than if I go without. But I will isolate myself if I think I've caught influenza.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OakLeaf View Post
    Easy, girlfriend.
    I think I have returned to myself.
    I was distraught
    I get that way often, not just when I am sick, but I do recover

    I think what Knotted said was very clever too.
    I will print that post and put it above my kitchen sink bench.

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