The Biggest Loser

[wemoon]

I saw this episode too. I don't normally seek out to watch TBL, but someone on another Tri forum said that this episode was going to be on tonight. My first thought too was about how it was backwards and I also kinda thought it was weird how they stopped after every segment. No one looked sweaty with the just biked 20K look. But all in all, it is impressive that these people did it. I kinda wished they would have let everyone continue on though through the whole event just to have that experience of doing it. May motivate some to do it again.

[Running Mommy]

I watched it, and shook my head... If you are going to do a triathlon- then DO A TRIATHLON!!!
Did the producers even look into what a triathlon really is???
Part of what makes a triathlon hard is going directly from swimming, to biking, and then to running. And putting the swimming last is actually dangerous. There is a reason why they put the swim first ya know!
And yeah, I know there are some races out there that do it backwards, but I think they are crazy. Of course I'm looking at it from a liability standpoint.

But yeah, my guess is Kae would have won it if she was allowed to go directly to the next event. She appeared to have a smoking lead.
So as someone said- it became a swimming meet. And the thing with swimming- it's ALL about technique! It doesn't matter how thin or fit you are, if you don't have the technique you will be slow. The girl that won had a swimming background, and as you could see her technique was good.

But yeah, I watch it. I don't think it's realistic, but I watch it. And I was happy that the vote finally went the right way!
Personally I think mr. water loader needs to go. His scheming is ridiculous!

[KSH]

I think it was L-A-M-E that they had them start with the bike, then the run and finally the swim. Really lame that just because you won the bike and run, you couldn't win if you didn't win the swim portion.

I also think there needed to be a rule that you COULD NOT hold onto the treadmill. I think that was totally cheating.

At least Amy is gone. She was annoying. And someone made a good point about her being a size 5 only a few years before. That shows that there is hope for her being able to continue on at home.

[slmdunc]

But yeah, I watch it. I don't think it's realistic, but I watch it. And I was happy that the vote finally went the right way!

Just curious Running Mommy... what part do you not find realistic? I ask because I know people who work on this show and I know that the contestants go through hell and highwater to lose that weight, and the people who design the show really root for them. It's one of the reasons I love that show.

Is it just the fact they do nothing but spend their days working out? Because in that sense - it's not very realistic. Most of us would never have that kind of time. However, if looked at in kind of a "away at fat camp" way - what is not realistic?

[Running Mommy]

Why don't I think it's realistic....

Because I think of the average sedentary person out there that looks at that show and says "hey if I cut some calories and go to the gym, I can lose 5,8,TEN pounds in a week".
And then they start WW or JC or something, and start going faithfully to the gym, but find it a struggle to lose 2 lbs in a week. So they get frustrated, say "it's too much work" and drop out.

When realistically two pounds is what you should be losing if you are doing it in a healthy manner. And YES it IS a lot of work!!
I can't see how it's healthy for them to be losing weight that fast. But of course that is my opinion, I'm not a doctor.

To be more realistic I'd like to see them show EXACTLY what the contestants do as a daily workout regimen. I hear it's four hours a day, but I don't think I've ever seen it spelled out on the show.
And like you said, four hours a day is not realistic for most people. Even during heavy Ironman training the most I can squeeze in is 1-2 hours in the morning and 1 in the evening, with one long 7+ hour day on the weekends.

I'd also like to see how many calories they are eating, and more of exactly WHAT they are eating. - And not just the blatant product placements.
They did show Kim talking to B about his food journal a couple of weeks ago, but I think they need to go more in depth about it.

Of course you can go on the website and spend $$$ to join "the club", and then I guess you will get the keys to the system..

Personally I would LOVE to go on the show. I love to train, and need to lose a good 20+ lbs. I struggle everyday to get weight off. Now THAT to me is realistic.
Sure, find the fattest people in America, put them on a harsh diet and kill them in the gym everyday, and the weight will melt off.

But the real challenge is to find all the people like me, who have been on one diet or another for what seems like forever. Get our bodies to finally shed the pounds. Now THAT would be a challenge!!

[KSH]

RM- you made a lot of really good points.

A lady I "know" on Beginner Triathlete... talks about the same thing... that the show isn't realistic when it comes to a normal person losing weight. She herself has lost 100 pounds, but it took 4 years, not 3 months.

In this day and age of, "I want it to happen RIGHT NOW", the show makes people think that they too could lose 20-30-50 pounds easily... with some gym work and eating a bit healthier. Which isn't realistic at all.

What has always frustrated me about the show is the weigh-in portion. They spend very little time showing what these people eat, how the sleep, exactly how many hours they workout... and then for a 2-hour show, 45 minutes of it is all the weigh-in and the vote off.

With that said, the show does encourage people to get off the couch (after the show?) and to workout. It shows people who think there is no hope... that there is hope... they just need to go out there and find some help and work hard. Unfortuantely, people who are overweight by 100-200 pounds... well, it's really hard for them to go find the help they need and to workout. But it does show them that it can be done.

[Tuckervill]

As a fat person, I always looked at TBL like this: "Yeah, SURE they can lose 10 lbs in a week! They have nothing else to DO but workout and eat the food provided!"

It's kind of like when Oprah says, "Cook like this and you'll be healthy." Well, SURE Oprah can say that! She has people who cook for her!

In other words, neither of those things are the real world. I don't look at TBL as any other thing. The "reality" part comes from it not being scripted, and using real people as guinea pigs.

One thing I DO get from that show is the transformation of *thought* that is clearly visible amongst the contestants. They are seriously obese, and they DO NOT BELIEVE they can ever be fit again or run a mile or lift weights or work out for hours in a day. By the time they get voted off, the way they think about themselves has obviously changed, because it was proved to them that they CAN do JUST what they CAN do, and that builds on itself and creates change in them. You can't change behavior without changing thought first. This show demonstrates that very clearly to me. That's the part I like.

Karen

[Eden]

While I do agree that they should be explicit about how they get their results. It can't be good for people to get discouraged because they are not seeing what happens on the show happen to themselves. I do think that what is good about the show is that is does show that these people, most of them severly obese, can lose a lot of weight only using diet and exercise. When you see that as compared to shows that chronical someone who does GI surgery to lose weight..... I think no matter how quickly they take the pounds off on Biggest Loser, it must be more healthy than surgically mangling your GI tract. There seem to be few people who do the show who fail to get motivated and lose at least some weight, no matter how long they spend on the show. I think that it shows great results and I like the message that a person can be in control of their own wellbeing.

[slmdunc]

To be more realistic I'd like to see them show EXACTLY what the contestants do as a daily workout regimen. I hear it's four hours a day, but I don't think I've ever seen it spelled out on the show.

I found myself thinking about this thread this weekend, but couldn't comment back on it, because I was in Tucson riding EL TOUR! Good times.

Anyway - yes. You are very correct. It's not realistic in the sense that normal people don't have these kinds of results. The truth is - all these contestants DO is workout. For much more than 4 hours a day. It's all they have to do. When they're not filming workouts or weigh-ins... they're... well - working out. I understand they have doctors maintain their diets, and so there are no "starvation" methods going on. In fact, they eat many more calories than they do once they go home - because of their heavy workout routines. They eat as if they're training for endurance events.

One of the reasons they lose such large amounts - especially at the beginning - is because they are SO HEAVY. I mean - I'd love to lose 20 pounds... but it takes CRAZY effort on my part to do so. However, when you are carrying around 200 pound extra - 20 pounds comes off fairly easy with a little bit of exercise and nutrition. As you get lower, the numbers get stickier.

So is it realistic in the sense that the results of this show could happen just as quickly to your at-home-joe/joanne? No. Is it realistic in the sense that it is not a "faked' reality show? Absolutely. This is as real as they come. The interesting part is - now these kids have to go home... what happens then. As you've all mentioned - what is the formula not only for taking it off - but keeping it off? This will be the ultimate test for these guys... when the cameras are off of them.

Anyway - thank you for indulging me. I work in the television industry, and as I mentioned - have close friends who work for this show - so I'm always intrigued by audience response - good and bad.

You ladies rock... and you inspire me!

[light_sabe_r]

Yup. They're inspiring. The Aussie version is more like "big brother" now though. The biggest loser is on 6 days per week with "specials" when there's a gap in the programming.

Still bloody addictive television though!

So which team won??? Or are they up to the individual challenges now??