Broken femur - anyone with experience?

[LBTC]

O, first, ouch, ouch, and way to recover

I have not experienced this, and can only say, it seems like you're following all the right ideas for recovery, regaining fitness, etc. That's a lot of miles you're doing, girl!

I can comment on the 165 cranks. I am 5' 1.5" with a 28.25" inseam. I have 165 cranks on my mountain bike, and love them. I wouldn't go longer if I could help it (the new carbon road bike I'm picking up tomorrow will have 165's too.) DH has read a bit of Andy Pruitt's info (the ultimate word in bike fit - I would *LOVE* to go to Boulder, CO and have the real thing done all the way). Long story short, Andy says to shim the cleats, do not use different sized cranks. I'm assuming there is a lot more to it than just changing the reach for one leg or the other, since the shorter cranks affect acceleration, etc.

By all means read up on it, but it seems like you're better off to get longer screws.

Good luck with your scans and the next phase of your recovery! Sending you loads of healing and helpful butterflies,
and hugs,
~T~

[Eden]

oh - like LBTC said ouch! I'm also a 28.5ish inseam currently with 165's and my fitter figures I could even go less than that if they were readily available.... (there are smaller ones - my kids cross bike has 150 somethings, though the quality is not tip top, and there are some specialty places that better ones can be found)
There is a person on this board who has two differently sized cranks. (I think it might be Triskeliongirl??? - you could try a search and see if you can turn up her posts about it, but that one would be tough to find I bet) Hopefully she will see this and give some input.
I've never had any major injuries, but I still have a pile of cleat shims in my left shoe - nothing like an inch, I would suspect, probably more like somewhere between 1/8 and 1/4 inch of difference in all. I've also got an extra insole in my left shoe give it a bit of extra height too, so that's something maybe your fitter could think about doing in place of a shim or two.

[mimitabby]

Yes, I'll send her an email and she'll probably post her. Triskelion.

[DebW]

I have a friend who broke his femur skiing last winter. Spiral fracture of the lower femur, repaired with a rod inside the bone (took 2 surgeries to get it done right) and hip/femoral neck fracture. He's been plagued with a number of screws loosening/backing out. Had the ones in his knee removed, but the doc refuses to removed the screws in his hip until at least a year post-op. He's got the same sort of tendons snapping over bolt head thing. He's been riding a bike on a trainer, says that's better than walking because the hip angle keeps the tendons off the bolt heads.

I've seen Triskeliongirl's crankset. It's custom made. Even the pedal is custom in order to rotate properly with the crank arm. I'm sure she'll give you the details if you ask.

[Eden]

Long story short, Andy says to shim the cleats, do not use different sized cranks. I'm assuming there is a lot more to it than just changing the reach for one leg or the other, since the shorter cranks affect acceleration, etc.

I wonder if *where* you end up with the discrepency wouldn't make a difference to how you would want to solve it. It would seem like cleat shims basically add length to your lower leg, so if your length difference originates in the upper leg, while shimming would make it possible for the shorter leg to reach the pedal when the longer leg is at an optimal saddle height, you would still have an imbalance. If you had a crank set designed to accomodate the length discrepency it might be better since then you are working with the hip to knee length rather than the knee to foot one. For most of us, the difference in our legs isn't enough to worry about something as involved as working out how to put two different cranks on the bike and still have it work properly, but it sounds like Ogresse not only now has a pretty large difference, she also races, so she needs everything to be as optimal as possible.

Only a little related - oddly enough my shorter leg (and I don't know if its an actual length discrepency or just a functional one - maybe I should try to measure some day) is the stronger one, and also my dominant leg? Go figure

[mimitabby]

you can pm Triskelion but this is what she told me in an email:

Please let here know she can PM me after Nov. 20, but that in the meantime she should know that I solved the problem with a custom crank set featuring a dropped pedal I got from Tom Slocum at High Sierra Cycling (mine is 3 cm). She can google him and phone him to discuss. Lennar Zinn's latest book also has good advice on this problem.

[Ogresse]

thanks for the butterflies, T. It was a relief to get the fitness back (though it took some time!). I really don't deserve any extra credit as I had no choice but to be on my bike for rehab - walking was out of the question - but it was so ironic to ride everywhere and then need my cane to walk the bike to the car! I have a long way to go before my legs have equal strength again.

I'm familiar with Andy's book and his approach. Basically I'm not sold (yet) on either approach but with regard to the arthritis, I wonder whether a shorter crank would mean less stress on the ball? My cleat-fitter friend thinks Andy's work is a sensory/proprioceptive approach, where shimming (and also moving shorter leg's cleat back and longer leg's cleat forward, I believe) should make you 'feel' even so you ride more comfortably (a bit oversimplified but that's the gist). Having ridden this way for my first year back I'm really curious to try another approach and see how that feels and, most importantly, whether it will slow down the arthritis. That part is a big bummer.

Eden, does your bike shoe fit comfortably with the insert? My orthotics don't work with all my non-bike shoes - not enough room in there. The shoes with stretchy laces (a la Keen) do well. I have similar thoughts about upper to lower leg length difference. With the big cleat stack (and the 170s) my left knee ends up pretty high on the top of the stroke and not as far forward as the right knee, and I think there's more dead space in the stroke than in the right. So it will be interesting to see if the different crank lengths do help or at least what they feel like. And - a thought - maybe it's not that your short leg is "too" short...maybe your longer leg is "too" long?! Maybe that short leg's length just works better for all the levers and pistons at work. My left (shorter) leg pedals very straight whereas my normal leg needs canting wedges to keep it from tipping in toward the top tube.

Deb, your ITB snapping friend and I should get together and play some tunes . He sounds like he's much more uncomfortable than I am and certainly had a more complex fracture. Anything in the femoral neck brings danger of avascular necrosis which (like Floyd), if it occurs, means eventual hip replacement, and all that. I'm sure they're monitoring him closely.

Does anyone know how common it is for (uninjured) cylists to get arthritis in their hip joints? I always thought we were better off than impact sports people who primarily run or ski (other than getting bad marks for osteoporosis). In my case the femoral head is probably out of alignment so that it's rubbing in a way it didn't pre-accident.

Oh well, so much to think about. Thanks, everyone, for your thoughts. I'll be checking back!
O.

[Eden]

My shoes are standard Sidis - two velcro straps and a rachet. The insole isn't an orthotic - just your standard insole material cut to fit my shoe and give that leg a tad more height, so I don't have any problems with my foot not fitting anymore (come to think of it, most people including me have feet that are slightly different sizes and it definitely looks like my left is smaller - hah! I can measure my feet and yup - the left one is about 8.5 inches long at its longest, the right almost 9)

I just had her do my winter shoes (they are "touring" style shoes, with recessed cleats so they are somewhat harder to adjust). The shoe with the insole felt a bit weird and tight when I first put it back on, but after a few minutes with it on I didn't even notice the insole any more.

It's pretty well impossible for me to measure my own legs accurately, but roughly giving it a try I'd say my left leg is definitely somewhat shorter than my right or perhaps you are entirely correct, my right leg is longer than my left I do have one wedge in my right shoe to tip my knee in a little - there are 6 plus the insole to prop up my left!

This is all quite interesting - it makes me think of other things too. I've been doing step-ups as part of my winter training/core strength routine and I've noticed that I have a tendency to swing my my right leg out when I do it if I'm not paying attention - could very well be an unconscious compensation for that one being a little longer and hitting the ground sooner than I expect????

[Triskeliongirl]

No time for a lengthy response, but my LLD is 3 cm following a serious bicycle accident. You need to ring up Tom Slocum at High Sierra Cycling. While the custom 'systems' he builds are not cheap (he calls them systems not crank sets), it was the only way I could ride again without pain. My crank arms are 165mm (sized for my short leg), but then the crank arm on my longer leg side has a dropped pedal that rotates throughout the pedal stroke. The chain rings are also elliptical and off set, to balance the leverage and be gentler on my knees. His work isn't cheap, but its right on. I did have to fly to california for a personal fitting, but it was worth every penny.

[Wahine]

Clinically, I would say that early onset OAS is more frequently seen in weight bearing sports and occupations. But I have seen it in people at a relatively young age that do not participate in high impact sport. For eg, last year I saw a 56 yr old male post bilateral hip resurfacing surgery (this is a technique to deal with hip OAS that is less invasive than a total hip and has a very good success rate in the younger population). He was a professional kayaker, still runs a guiding and instruction company. He was also a cyclist, both road and mtn. So no high impact sports, no major trauma. No clue as to why he had such severe arthritis at such a relatively young age.

I did find this excerpt from an abstract on The American Journal of Sports Medicine:

Men with high exposure to sports of all kinds com bined (in hours) had a relative risk to develop osteoar throsis of the hip of 4.5 compared to those with low exposure. Track and field sports and racket sports seemed to be the most hazardous to the hip joint. Men who had been exposed to high physical loads both from their occupation and sports had a relative risk of 8.5 to develop osteoarthrosis of the hip compared to those with low physical load in both activities. Potential confounding factors, such as age, body mass index, and smoking, were considered.

Long-term exposure to sports among men seems to be a risk factor for developing severe osteoarthrosis of the hip; this is increased when combined with heavy load from occupation.


In your particular case I would say that any alignment changes will result in faster degeneration of the joint. To the extent that you can decrease the forces going through the joint, you will decrease the pain and slow progression. A shorter crank arm would help significantly with this as it decreases the amount of torque required to turn the crank. In addition to this, staying in a gear that allows you the highest possible efficient spin would also help.