Correct, only use the nut/washer/thingy if you can't seal a pump on the stem because it's too short (can you tell from my use of proper terminology that I teach bike maintenance classes?).
Regarding presta valves in a schrader rim, I did it without the little rubber washers that LPH refers to, but I used the stem nut instead. Worked just fine and I didn't flat.




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