Wow Deb! Who knew? Once I think I about have this stuff under control, I learn something new! Not sure what I'm going to do with this bike, but I found some tubular tires online and I may just give this a shot. It's too big for me, but I'm fascinated with this stuff. I did try to put some extra 700c clinchers on there, but those Michelins were always sooooo tight. I'm going to try the stand on them thing, too. I've heard that you can put them in the dryer. For tonight I finally gave up. 1 broken tire lever and skinned knuckles. I'll try again tomorrow, or maybe just wait for the tubulars. Thanks so much for all of your help. I have learned so much from you on TE.