I am actually wearing a pair of these right now. Absolutely love the fabric, it's light and dries immediately. I ditched the liner short pretty much immediately. It's useless. It wears very nicely over my usual bike shorts, and the fabric isn't so clingy that it highlights the ol' sausage-leg effect.

I have a very short torso and found the 'rise' to fit me just perfectly. It scoops a little bit below natural waist but overall these are a great pant.