Am I being overly sensetive.

[Trekhawk]

Mimi, you'd probably like riding with my husband, he's super-patient and likes to ride in the back (and he has quite the fan club among the Northern California TE contingent, I'm finding out ). Alas, I'm nowhere near as patient as he.

Hmm is this the jobob that hung with me for the 200km ride??? I think that Jobob is very patient.

I have been looking at different club rides for when I return to Aust and what it seems like to me is that if you ride pretty slow they assume you dont want to or cant ride very far. I will need to see the terrain when I return home but I think I fall between groups. It looks like to get in sixty miles with a club you need to be able to manage at least 15mph or you are stuck in the 25 mile distance which frankly for me wouldn't be worth the effort to get there.

DDH I hope you find some other riders to do your club ride with. Ask around maybe other riders would come if they knew they would have someone to ride with rather than being dropped off the back.

[Torrilin]

I'm still not up to 20 mile rides (slooowly making progress). And my speed is nothing to write home about. For people who are really and truly *beginners*, 20 miles is too much. They may not have a good bike fit. They just learned how to ride, or just got back into riding after years away. They're vague on riding in traffic... For a beginning racer, it's a reasonable ride. Those are two entirely different skill levels, and they probably don't belong on the same ride.

Offering to run a regular beginner's ride and/or class would probably help the club out a lot .