You ladies are a wonderful wealth of information!

I have taken the info on how to measure sitz bones width for saddles, and think I might have to do this on my own. I have one other bike shop next town over that I might be able to get some more help with, but at least if I know what I am looking for, that is a big step. At least even to search on line with a clue. Also, I still think I am a bit too much on pubic bone in weight, it's better since last bike shop fit, but not quite there. I hope it's not my bike frame itself--just bought new, but I guess we live and learn along the way if so.

Tonight after work before my ride, I went to SG store and bought Chamois Buttr and 1 pair new pricier shorts to ride my weeknight route. A bit more discomfort immediately. The shorts were a smaller size, which is good I think? because even though hip wise, I fit the other shorts right, but in some spots they were more stretched--however, new shorts had a different cut of chamois pad, and I think I hit it differently than the old pairs maybe? Really nice shorts otherwise. Tomorrow think I will try old shorts chamois with the Chamois Buttr, elimating back to one new change, and see what this holds.

Also, thanks for the thoughts on combining products, Astro Glide & Chamois Buttr...I'd mix a homemade chamois lube recipe up in my kitchen sink you ladies gave me if it would work!

Good thoughts about the gyno too--until I found that in a thread, I never knew there was such a cream for the hormones--after self-examination during the bleeding spell, I never realized about being thinner tissue on one side particularly of my anatomy--gettin' old is H*#$.

Thanks again, and for any more information.