Quote Originally Posted by equus123 View Post
lol, no offense, but this is the exact reason I can't stand going on men's group rides. they can never stop their testosterone and bravado from getting the best of them and some of us (women or newer riders) are pushed way harder than the ride is supposed to be. it's a stupid pissing contest and it happens almost 80% of the time....
I've noticed that longer harder rides tend to equalize stuff. We rode with some 20 something year old guys on a harder ride. At the end, they figure it out.

but yes, you're right. it can be downright stupid.