Does anyone sell womens specific frames only?

[Triskeliongirl]

By KOPS I mean getting whatever the optimum knee over pedal position is for the rider right. In my case I actually prefer it if my knee is 1 cm behind the pedal axle. But, my points were that you need to consider reach as a comb. of STA and TT length, and also, as reiterated by Kathi, you need to be sure the STA will allow whatever the riders appropriate KOP position is to be established. Small women are more sensitive to all this crap, cuz manufacturers mess more with frame angles on smaller sized bikes so they can outfit the bike with 700cc wheels. If the bike doesn't fit, your GF will not like cylcing, its as simple as that.

[skunk]

Keith Bontrager wrote a pretty good article busting the KOPS myth.

http://www.sheldonbrown.com/kops.html

[Trek420]

..... busting the KOPS myth.....

Alrighty then, I guess you've won because that's just the end of that concept

No system really other than a great bike shop and club, I'm just working on my 5th custom bike.

[SadieKate]

Oh, girls, don't waste your energy. He knows what he knows and it's all about him, not his girlfriend.

Andy Pruitt uses KOPS, but what would he know.

[skunk]

Alrighty then, I guess you've won because that's just the end of that concept

No system really other than a great bike shop and club, I'm just working on my 5th custom bike.

Did you gals even read the article? KOPS is a good place to start but it doesn't work for everyone. In my opinion proper weight distribution is more important than having your knee over the spindle.

[SadieKate]

My girlfriend is a girl so I assume she'd be better off with WSD geometry. I don't want her to hate cycling because the bike geometry is to aggressive.

Of course we know KOPS is only a place to start, just like we know WSD isn't for all women.

skunk, why are you here? You have yet to acknowledge anything anyone has offered. You refuse to tell us where you live so we can provide shop recommendations. It pretty much sounds like you just want to throw your weight around and have us be your personal shoppers.

We're trying to help you be a hero to your girlfriend which means getting her involved in the decision, but you don't discuss anything anyone has offered. You just refute without the back-up.

Just a guess, but I think we know women better than you do. There's an awful lot of knowledge on this forum if you'd choose to be receptive.

[skunk]

Of course we know KOPS is only a place to start, just like we know WSD isn't for all women.

skunk, why are you here? You have yet to acknowledge anything anyone has offered. You refuse to tell us where you live so we can provide shop recommendations. It pretty much sounds like you just want to throw your weight around and have us be your personal shoppers.

We're trying to help you be a hero to your girlfriend which means getting her involved in the decision, but you don't discuss anything anyone has offered. You just refute without the back-up.

Just a guess, but I think we know women better than you do. There's an awful lot of knowledge on this forum if you'd choose to be receptive.

In post #34 I said I live in Southern California.

I have checked out every bike that has been mentioned in this thread. Locating a dealer for some of these brands on the other hand will take some time. So before I do that I can't really say anything about them.

I went to another local shop today to and to my surprise it doesn't stock any womens bikes and only had one trek 1000 that was slightly too big for her.

My goal is still to buy a frame unless I come across a great deal on a complete bike. I have a shop in Arizona looking into getting me a low end trek frame so I should hear back from them soon.