Went on a 23 mile club "ramble" through Mill Creek with dh today. The pace was listed as social/moderate, which usually just means moderate pace with regroups and a lot of jockying for position 'cos nobody wants to be behind the fat lady (except for dddddh ). I managed to keep up for most of the ride, but was grateful for the "no drop" policy on the last couple of hills I was surprised to learn that there is more to mill creek than housing developments. There are actually farms and woodsy areas! who knew?! Hubby tells me we averaged 14mph, which is pretty good for me on rolling hills